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Buying A Car For Uber
Updated 28th of June 2024
As an Uber driver, your car is your most critical business asset, so the decision to buy a car for Uber is an important one.
Perhaps you’re looking to start driving but your current car doesn’t meet Uber’s requirements. Perhaps you see yourself driving for Uber longer term so it’s time to upgrade. Or perhaps you just need a new car, and driving for Uber is a fantastic way to help with the cost.
In all of these cases it’s important to understand the tax implications before you buy a new car for Uber.
Things are especially complex at the moment, as the ATO have recently changed the rules for claiming the cost of your new car. For the 2023 financial year we had the Temporary Full Expensing write-off, and for 2024 and 2025 we’ve switched back to the Instant Asset Write-Off and Small Business Depreciation. These write-offs sound great, but the eligibility rules are tricky, and many drivers don’t realise they come with a nasty sting in the tail when you sell the car or stop driving.
With all these complex, ever-changing rules, it’s important to have a clear picture of how they work, and how much you’ll actually get back on tax, before you go ahead and buy a new vehicle for Uber, rideshare or delivery driving.
This article aims to cover all the essentials of claiming GST and tax deductions when you buy a car for Uber, rideshare or delivery driving.
A quick note for UberEats, DoorDash, Menulog and Food Delivery Drivers – this article focuses on cars, but it all applies exactly the same to bicycles, ebikes, scooters and motorcycles as well. Just remember that if you are not registered for GST then you can ignore all the GST parts of this article.
(Buying an Electric Vehicle? You may also like to check out our article on Buying a Tesla or EV for Uber)
First Considerations
A common misconception to clear up right away, especially with the 2023 Temporary Full Expensing write-off, is that you’ll get the cost of your new car back on tax. This is not the case.
When you buy a car you will get a tax deduction for the cost of the car, which is different from getting the money back. How much money the deduction actually puts into your pocket will depend on your marginal tax rate and on your business profit. For some people, the tax deduction may not actually give any money back at all. So it’s important that you understand how the tax deduction will apply in your circumstances. This is explained below under the heading ‘Claiming Tax Deductions On A New Car’.
Another important consideration is that many drivers don’t make as much money from rideshare or delivery driving as they first expect, especially after taking into account income tax, GST and car running costs. Be sure to evaluate whether you can still afford your car even if you make less than you expect from rideshare or delivery driving.
If you’re not sure yet whether you’ll drive Uber for the long term, but your current car doesn’t meet requirements, a great option is to rent a vehicle and try Uber first before committing to a car purchase or a loan. There are a number of rental companies that specialise in renting to Uber drivers. We highly recommend Splend for their exceptional member services, including driver training and strategic advice, fuel discounts, and networking opportunities with other drivers. Read more here about renting a car for Uber.
Here are a few more common questions about buying a car:
- New or Used? Tax-wise, it makes no difference. You’ll get the same tax deduction price regardless of whether the car is brand new or used.
- Dealer or Private Seller? Buying from a dealer is usually a little more expensive because they provide benefits such as a statutory warranty, so you’ll need to decide if this is worthwhile for you. From a tax perspective, if you buy from a dealer the cost of the car will include GST, and if you are registered for GST you can claim this back from the ATO. So if you are GST-registered and you’re comparing a dealer car to a private sale car be sure to take into account the GST you’ll get back from the dealer car. More on how to calculate this below.
- Can I Claim The Write-Off? If you bought your car between 6 October 2020 and 30 June 2023, yes, all Uber, rideshare and food delivery drivers who have an ABN are eligible for the Temporary Full Expensing write-off. Or, if you bought your car after 1 July 2023, you can only claim the Instant Asset Write-Off if your car cost less than $20,000. But with both the TFE write-off and the IAWO there are some traps to be aware of. Scroll down to read more about claiming depreciation and the write-off on your new car.
Financing Your Car
There are many factors to consider in choosing how to finance your car for Uber, including affordability of repayments, how long you plan to drive for, and whether your circumstances allow you to apply for a loan. These questions are best discussed with your finance broker, who should be able to provide you with calculations comparing options for financing your Uber vehicle, including a loan vs lease analysis.
The way you choose to buy and finance your car will also affect the way you claim tax deductions. For example, the timing of tax deductions for a loan vs a lease or rental are very different:
- Buy Car & Take Out a Loan: If you purchase your car directly and take out a loan, the interest deductions will be larger in the earlier years and gradually tapering off over time. Also, if you buy a car you’ll be able to claim depreciation on the cost of the car itself, and those deductions are also larger in the first year and taper off over time (or all up front, if your car is under $20k and you’re eligible for the Instant Asset Write Off). Finally, if you are GST-registered and you purchase your car from a dealer (i.e. a GST-registered seller) you’ll also receive a lump sum refund of your business portion of the GST on your next BAS.
- Lease or Rent a Car: If you lease or rent a vehicle, your tax deductions and GST claims are spread evenly over the life of the lease, rather than being ‘front-loaded’. You’ll claim the GST back on your lease/rental payments quarterly, and claim a tax deduction for your lease repayments for the year (excl GST) on your tax return. Since you don’t own the vehicle directly you won’t be eligible to claim depreciation or Temporary Full Expensing. Here’s more on Renting a Car for Uber.
- Salary Packaging: If you salary package a vehicle through your employer, you’ll receive all of your tax benefits through your pay. This means you cannot also claim tax deductions for those expenses in your tax return, as this would be ‘double-dipping’. You can still claim GST and tax deductions for any expenses that are not packaged (i.e. paid out of your own pocket), but you must keep a logbook to be eligible.
(Note that you must have a 12-week logbook to claim all of the above tax deductions, more detail on logbooks below).
As you can see, from a tax perspective the biggest difference is that with a loan your tax benefits are ‘front-loaded’, while if you lease/rent a car the tax benefits are spread evenly over the lease/rental period. So when choosing which of these suits you best consider how long you expect to drive for, your marginal tax rate over those years, whether you plan to upgrade the car in few years or car or keep it long term, and your immediate cashflow needs.
Claiming GST on a New Car For Uber
If you purchase your car from a dealer, the purchase price will include GST. If you are registered for GST on the date of purchase you can claim back the GST on your Uber vehicle on your next Business Activity Statement (BAS).
The amount of GST you’ll get back will be a little less than 1/11th of the price of your car (because some on-road costs don’t include GST) multiplied by your business-use percentage. Note that a logbook isn’t required for GST claims, instead the ATO allows you to make a reasonable estimate of your business use percentage. The logbook is required for your end of year income tax though, more on this below.
There is a maximum limit of GST that you can claim on the purchase of any car, which is calculated in reference to the ATO’s Car Cost Limit. To calculate your limit, take the car cost limit for the year you purchased the car in, and divide by 11. Then apply your logbook percentage to the result, and this is the maximum GST credit you can claim on the purchase of your car.
- 2022-2023: Car cost limit = $64,741, so the GST limit is $5,885 x your logbook %.
- 2023-2024: Car cost limit = $68,108, so the GST limit is $6,191 x your logbook %.
- 2024-2025: Car cost limit = $69,674, so the GST limit is $6,334 x your logbook %.
Remember that to be eligible to register for GST, you must have actively started the Uber application process to prove that you are ‘running a business’. If you plan to purchase a car and you haven’t yet registered for GST, we recommend that you start the Uber driver application process BEFORE buying your car in order to prove your eligibility for a GST Registration. Then download our free Uber Tax Info Pack in order to access our free GST Registration service. We’ll submit your GST Registration application to the ATO for you for free.
Other Situations:
- Purchase from Private Seller: If you purchase a car privately, there is generally no GST on the purchase price, as the seller will usually not be registered for GST. This will mean there is no GST to claim back on the purchase of the car, because you did not pay any GST on the car purchase in the first place.
- Lease or Rent: On your quarterly BAS you’ll claim back the GST on your lease/rent payments multiplied by your business use percentage. There is no up-front deduction for GST, instead you claim it quarter by quarter over the life of the lease
- Salary Packaging: In a salary packaging arrangement your employer owns the car and pays the expenses, so they are the ones to claim the GST credits. However this is taken into account when working out the amount that is deducted from your pay, so you still indirectly receive the benefit of the GST credits. If you pay for fuel, cleaning or any other running costs out of your own pocket (i.e. outside of the salary packaging) you can claim the GST on these expenses on your BAS.
Claiming Depreciation on a New Car For Uber
If you have bought a car during the financial year, we strongly recommend having your tax return prepared by DriveTax or another tax agent.
The tax legislation behind car depreciation is more complex than it’s ever been before, the tax return form itself is confusing, and there are traps that could mean you end up with a less-than-optimum tax result.
When we prepare your tax return, we’ll explain how the Temporary Full Expensing rules or Instant Asset Write-Off rules will apply to your specific tax circumstances. We’ll run all the calculations and analyse your options to make sure your tax deduction for your new car is maximised.
2024 Financial Year – Simplified Depreciation for Small Business
For cars purchased from 1 July 2023 onwards, the Temporary Full Expensing write-off we’ve had for the past few years will no longer be available. Instead, car purchases can be claimed under the Small Business Depreciation rules, which is the system we used before the TFE write-off was introduced in 2021.
The basic principle is that cars costing under the Instant Asset Write-Off threshold can be written off, while cars costing over the IAWO threshold must be depreciated over a number of years, meaning you receive your tax benefit over a longer period of time instead of up-front.
For the 2023-2024 financial year, the Instant Asset Write-Off threshold is $20,000. For the 2024-2025 financial year the threshold is also proposed to be $20,000, but this hasn’t been passed into law yet.
Here are the key things to know about Small Business Depreciation:
- Assets costing under the IAWO threshold can be claimed in full (i.e. ‘written off’) in the year of purchase
- Assets costing over the IAWO threshold can’t be written off. Instead, the tax deduction must be spread over a number of years. Here’s how it works:
- 15% in the first year (there is no adjustment for timing, so it’s 15% whether you purchased on the first or the last day of the year)
- 30% of the remaining depreciation balance in each subsequent year
- Once the remaining depreciation balance drops below $20,000, the balance is claimed in full (i.e. written off) in the following financial year
For example, take a car costing $30,000 on the 1st of April, with a 100% logbook (we’ll ignore GST):
- Year 1 – 15% of $30,000 = $4,500 deduction this year. Remaining balance = $25,500
- Year 2 – 30% of the remaining balance of $25,500 = $7,650 deduction this year. New remaining balance = $17,850
- Year 3 – The remaining depreciation balance was below $20,000 at the end of last year, so this year we can write off the balance. $17,850 deduction this year.
Alternatively, you may choose not to use the small business depreciation rules, and instead claim traditional diminishing value depreciation of 25%. There is no eventual write-off with this option, it just continues on indefintiely. Also note that the timing of your purchase has a big impact on the amount of the deduction in the first year.
- Year 1 – 25% of $30,000 x 3/12 months timing adjustment due to 1st of April purchase = $1,875 deduction this year. Remaining balance $28,125
- Year 2 – 25% of the remaining balance of $28,125 = $7,031 deduction this year. New remaining balance = $21,094
- Year 3 – 25% of the remaining balance of $21,094 = $5,273 deduction this year. New remaining balance = $15,821
- Year 4 – 25% of the remaining balance of $15,821 = $3,955 deduction this year. New remaining balance = $11,866
- … and so on indefinitely
Note that the Instant Asset Write-Off is only available if you bought the car during the same financial year that you commenced, or continued to run, your Uber business. In other words, if you bought your car in a prior financial year before starting as an Uber driver, you won’t be eligible for the Instant Asset Write-Off. Instead, your only choice will be to follow the ‘15%/30%/balance under $20k’ depreciation rules.
These following rules apply to all types of depreciation:
- The car can be new or used, and can be bought from a dealer or private sale
- If you are registered for GST then you must subtract the GST you claimed back on your BAS from your purchase price. If you are not registered for GST (i.e. food delivery drivers) then you can ignore the GST and claim the whole cost of your car
- The Car Cost Limit sets the maximum amount you can claim, more on this below
- You MUST have a valid 12-week ATO-compliant logbook, and you can only claim your logbook percentage
2023 Financial Year – The ‘Temporary Full Expensing’ Write-Off
For the 2021, 2022 and 2023 financial years, the ATO introduced the Temporary Full Expensing write-off, which allows all businesses to claim an up-front deduction for the whole purchase costs of new assets. The main difference with the TFE Write-Off was that there was no maximum limit, assets of any value could be written off. Alternatively, it was possible to opt out of the write-off, and instead claim 25% diminishing value depreciation as explained above.
Here are the key things to know about the Temporary Full Expensing write-off:
- The car could be new or used, and can be bought from a dealer or private sale
- If you were registered for GST then you must subtract the GST you claimed back on your BAS from your purchase price. If you are not registered for GST (i.e. food delivery drivers) then you can ignore the GST and claim the whole cost of your car
- The Car Cost Limit set the maximum amount you could claim, more on this below
- You MUST have had a valid 12-week ATO-compliant logbook, and you can only claim that percentage
- You must have taken delivery of the car and completed your first business trip on or before the 30th of June to be eligible to claim the write-off in that financial year.
Traps To Look Out For
It’s important to note that claiming the Instant Asset Write-Off or Temporary Full Expensing write-off is not always the best outcome tax-wise. Depending on your circumstances, sometimes it’s actually better NOT to claim the whole cost of the car upfront and instead to spread the deduction over a number of years. This was especially true for the years where the TFE write-off was in effect, because it was often quite a large deduction, as opposed to the IAWO that is capped at $20k.
For example, if claiming Temporary Full Expensing for your car will push you below the tax-free threshold, then the tax-free part of your car deduction would be wasted, you would get no tax benefit from it at all. At the end of this blog post I’ve created a series of example scenarios where Temporary Full Expensing may or may not be beneficial, depending on your business gross income, business net profit, employment income and logbook percentage.
It is possible to opt-out of either of the Write-Offs and instead use the traditional 25% diminishing value depreciation method mentioned above to spread your car claim over a number of financial years. This would push more of your car deduction forward to future financial years where your taxable income and marginal tax rates might be higher.
However, opting out is not easy. It requires a number of extra steps in your tax return, and comes with a number of traps to look out for. If you think this might apply to you, I would strongly recommend having your tax return prepared by DriveTax or another tax agent. We can work out the optimum strategy for claiming your new car based on your income and circumstances, and can complete the opt-out process if that’s the most tax-effective option for you.
Car Cost Limit
The ATO’s Car Cost Limit sets the maximum amount that you can claim on the purchase of any car. If your car purchase cost is more than the relevant limit, then you can only claim up to the limit. The rest of your car purchase cost is not deductible. Note that if you are registered for GST then you must subtract the GST that you claimed from the purchase price when calculating your limit.
- 2022-2023: Car cost limit = $64,741 x your logbook %.
- 2023-2024: Car cost limit = $68,108 x your logbook %.
- 2024-2025: Car cost limit = $69,674 x your logbook %.
So as an example, let’s say you purchase a Tesla for $90,000 (incl $8,182 of GST) during the 2025 financial year, you have a logbook of 80%, and you’re registered for GST.
- On your BAS you’ll get a GST credit of $6,334 x 80% = $5,067
- On your tax return you’ll be able to claim depreciation on $69,674 x 80% = $55,739
Logbook Requirement
Also remember you MUST have a 12-week ATO-compliant logbook in order to claim depreciation/the Instant Asset Write Off fuel, insurance or any other car deductions. You can start your logbook any time before 30 June in the year you buy your car and it will be valid once it has run for 12 weeks. You can read more about this in our blog post How To Keep A Logbook For Uber.
To answer a common question, if you purchase your car less than 12 weeks before 30 June that’s okay. Under the IAWO and Small Business Depreciation rules, as long as the first logbook entry is on or before 30 June, you can use it for that financial year. You’ll just need to wait until your 12 weeks is complete before you can lodge your tax return. To take this one step further, what if you pick up your car on 30 June, but don’t start Uber until July? That’s okay too, you can put a private use entry into your logbook on the 30th and that will count as the start of your logbook.
(Note that for previous years under the TFE rules, the write-off occurred on the date of the first business trip. So to be eligible to claim in a given year, you must have done at least one Uber trip before 30 June.)
If you have already kept a logbook within the last five years, as long as your pattern of usage is still roughly the same you can continue using that logbook percentage for your new car, no need to keep a new logbook. However, if your pattern of usage has changed significantly (we usually say +/- 10%) then your old logbook becomes invalid, and you must start a new one.
Visit this article on our blog for more detail about the ATO’s rules on Keeping A Logbook For Uber.
Business Losses
Many Uber drivers who purchase and claim a new car on tax end up making an overall taxable loss on their sole trader business. This was especially true for years where the TFE write-off was available (the 2023 and earlier financial years).
If you do end up with a loss, the ATO’s ‘non-commercial loss rules’ determine what happens to your loss in your end of year tax return.
In the vast majority of cases you’ll be referring to the ‘assessable income test’, which looks like this:
- If your assessable income is over $20,000 (or pro-rata) you can claim your loss as a tax deduction against your employee and other taxable income
- If your assessable income is under $20,000 (or pro-rata) then your loss must be ‘carried forward’. You will only be allowed to claim that loss as a deduction against rideshare/delivery profits in future financial years
Your assessable income is your gross income from rideshare or delivery driving, before deducting any expenses (e.g. Uber fees). If you’re GST-registered then you must exclude GST. If you’re using the DriveTax Delivery spreadsheet it’s the total at the top of Column B of the expenses spreadsheet, or if you’re using the DriveTax Rideshare Spreadsheet it’s the total at the top of Column D.
If you started driving partway through the financial year then you can make a ‘reasonable estimate’ of what your gross income would have been for a full 12 months. The best way to prove your estimate is to calculate your pro-rata income from when you started driving up until 30 June.
So for example:
- If you started driving on 1 January and you made $11,000 gross income for the 6 months up to 30 June, then you could reasonably estimate your income for a full 12 months would have been over $20,000. Therefore you can claim your business loss as a tax deduction against your employee and other taxable income, which is likely to substantially boost your tax refund.
- If you started driving on 1 January and you only made $8,000 gross income for the 6 months up to 30 June, then you could not say your 12-month income would be over $20,000. Therefore your business loss cannot be claimed against your other taxable income. This means you won’t pay any tax on your business income this year which is great, but the remainder of your business loss will roll forward and can only be claimed against future business profits.
As you can see, your gross business income has a huge impact on the tax deduction you’ll get for your new car. It’s important to factor these rules into your car purchase decision, and into your expectations for your end-of-year tax return.
One more tip: if you think you will have a business loss this year, AND you have employee income that you want to claim your loss against, AND you think you might be close to the $20,000 threshold, then I recommend keeping a close eye on your gross income throughout the year. As 30 June approaches, if you’re almost to $20,000 but not quite there, you may like to squeeze in some extra driving before the end of the financial year to get you over the line and make sure you can claim your business loss in the current year.
Claiming an Existing Car
If you start doing rideshare or food delivery, and you use a car that you already own, you can claim under the Small Business Depreciation rules (15%/30%/write-off balance under $20k in the following year), but you cannot claim the Instant Asset Write-Off.
You will first need to find out your opening depreciable value, by calculating how much the car has depreciated between the date you bought it and the date you started using it for business purposes.
This is calculated using the diminishing value method and an effective life of 8 years. The calculation is too complex for me to explain in full here, so if this scenario applies to you I recommend having your tax return prepared by DriveTax or another tax agent and have it calculated for you. From there, you can claim the write-off on the remaining value of your car.
Claiming Deductions For Other Ownership Options
- Lease or Rental: You can claim a tax deduction for the cost of your lease/rental repayments (excl GST) for the year multiplied by your logbook percentage. You cannot claim the cost of buying the car itself, because technically it is the lease/rental company that purchased the car, not you. Here’s more on Renting a Car for Uber.
- Salary Packaging: You cannot claim a tax deduction for salary packaged expenses, because you have already received the tax benefit through the salary packaging. You can claim any expenses you pay for out of your own pocket (i.e. outside of the salary packaging) as long as you have kept a logbook.
In all of the above situations, you MUST keep a valid ATO-compliant logbook to claim these deductions, even if your use is 100%. Otherwise you cannot claim the instant asset write-off, depreciation, loan interest, fuel or any other car running costs, and you’ll instead be limited to just the cents per kilometre method, which for 2025 is a maximum tax deduction of $4,400. See our blog post on Keeping A Logbook For Uber for more detail on this topic.
Selling Your Uber Vehicle
One last thing to keep in mind when claiming depreciation, the Instant Asset Write-Off or the TFE write-off. When you eventually sell your car or stop using it for business purposes, you’ll be required to declare the sale price or market value, multiplied by your logbook percentage, as taxable income. This is called a ‘balancing adjustment’.
The balancing adjustment is calculated as being the difference between the depreciated value of the car in your tax return, and its actual sale price, or if you didn’t sell and just stopped driving, then its market value at the time it stopped being a business asset.
Balancing adjustments can be especially tough if you previously claimed a write-off for your car, meaning its depreciated value is now $0. They can also be tough if you sell the car for close to the same price you bought it, or you stop driving not long after you buy the car, whereby your car’s value hasn’t dropped by much. In these cases, you’ll essentially have to pay back nearly all the tax benefits you received from the write-off claim.
If you’re planning to continue Uber driving, and you’re trading in a previous car for a new car, the depreciation claim for your new car may soften the blow a little. But since the ATO have removed the TFE write-off from 2024 onwards, the deduction for your new car is unlikely to cover the balancing adjustment of the old car, so there will likely still be some tax to pay.
To help cover these costs, if you claim the write-off on your new car purchase, I always recommend putting aside some of the tax refund you receive from your write-off to help you cover the future tax bill when you sell or stop doing Uber.
One more thing to note, if you claimed GST when you purchased the car, then you must also declare the sale of the car on your next BAS and pay GST of 1/11th on the sale price (even if you sell the to a private buyer). Or, if you don’t sell the car but just stop using it for business, you must pay GST on the market value, just like we discussed above. Again, if you sell one car and buy another these two will mostly cancel each other out, but if you stop doing rideshare then you will need to plan ahead for this tax liability.
Other FAQ’s
- Name and ABN on the Invoice: For GST purposes, for a purchase over $1,000 your ‘identity’ must appear on the invoice. This can be either your name and address, or your name and ABN. Otherwise you cannot claim GST on the purchase of your car.
- Invoice for a Private Sale: The ATO understands that when buying a car privately you won’t get a formal tax invoice. You should instead write your own receipt for the purchase of the car, showing the name, address and contact details of both you and the seller, the purchase date, price, and registration number or VIN number. Both of you should sign and date the receipt. You should also keep copies of bank statements or bank cheques or other proof of payment.
- Buying in a Spouse’s Name: The ATO’s rules are inconsistent on this. For income tax the ATO accepts that spouses often register assets or pay expenses on behalf of each other or in each other’s names for various reasons. So as long as the vehicle is genuinely for your Uber driving and you have a logbook to prove this, you can still claim depreciation in your tax return. The same is true for any running costs that your spouse pays for. GST is different, for expenses over $1,000 you can only claim GST credits if your name appears on the invoice, as mentioned above. Therefore if you are purchasing a car from a dealer and wish to claim for GST you MUST make sure the tax invoice for the car purchase is in your name. This only applied to purchases over $1,000, so for expenses under this amount it doesn’t matter what name appears, you can claim the GST either way.
- Business or Private Registration and Insurance: The ATO doesn’t care whether you register or insure the car as business or private, you can claim tax deductions either way. You should find out the requirements of your insurance company and the road traffic authority in your state to determine how you should register and insure your car.
What Next?
- Make sure you can afford the car even if you earn less from Uber than you expect
- Decide whether a loan, lease or rental is best for you, and chat to a finance broker if you need help
- If you need to register for an ABN or GST (or you just want to learn more about your tax obligations), download our free Uber Tax Info Pack
- Start a logbook. Read our blog post on Keeping A Logbook For Uber for more information
- See our BAS Services Page for help lodging your BAS’s to claim back the GST on your car purchase
- If you’d like to learn more about buying a car for Uber, including how to calculate depreciation, and how to lodge your own BAS and tax return, check out our online course Understanding Uber Taxes.
Thoughts? Questions? Leave a comment below and I’ll respond shortly! – Jess
About the Author – Jess Murray CPA – Uber Accountant
Jess Murray is a CPA Accountant and registered tax agent. She’s been working in personal and small business tax for 15 years, and has been specialising in tax for Australian Uber Drivers for the last 7 years as the Director of DriveTax. She also teaches an online course called Understanding Uber Taxes.
Jess is on a mission to make taxes straightforward and manageable for Uber drivers across Australia.
The information in this article is general in nature and does not take into account your personal circumstances. If you’d like to know how this article applies to you, please contact us to arrange a consultation, or talk to your accountant.
Hi Jess.
An amazing wealth of information, I’ve just bought a car to get into Uber and will be using you to do my tax.
A question, I feel I’m not understanding fully.
You wrote this – “To answer a common question, if you purchase your car less than 12 weeks before 30 June that’s okay. Under the IAWO and Small Business Depreciation rules, as long as the first logbook entry is on or before 30 June, you can use it for that financial year. You’ll just need to wait until your 12 weeks is complete before you can lodge your tax return. To take this one step further, what if you pick up your car on 30 June, but don’t start Uber until July? That’s okay too, you can put a private use entry into your logbook on the 30th and that will count as the start of your logbook”
I have just bought a car (June 2024), but I’m not sure my Uber account will be activated before 30 June. Did you mean you can put a private use entry into the logbook before June 30 and that will count? So I can then claim the car?
If not, does that mean I can’t claim car, rego, insurance etc etc until next years tax?
Also can repairs on the car done before doing trips be claimed as they were to get the car ready to go.
Thank you so much.
Pete
Hi Peter, yes, private entries still count as logbook entries, and as long as your logbook starts before 30 June it can count for this financial year. So as long as you have a clear paper trail showing that you have been actively working on the process of getting signed up for Uber at the same time as you bought the car, then you will be able to claim your car purchase and other initial costs. Note however that since you won’t have any income, you’ll record a business loss for the 2024 financial year. That loss will be ‘carried forward’, and you can claim it against next year’s Uber profits. The article above has more detail on how this works. If you’d like further personalised tax advice I would welcome you to join our 6 Month Unlimited Email Tax Advice program. Otherwise, I hope this points you in the right direction! – Jess
Situation :
1- bought second hand car from private seller for 2600 dollars back in Nov 2022 and sell it for 5000 dollars in Jun 2024
2- second hand car fully dedicated to be car sharing through uber carshare
3- BETWEEN 1 JUL 2023-30 JUN 2024 spent repairs & rego approx 9000 dollars
4- BETWEEN 1 JUL 2022-30 JUN 2023 spent rego approx 300 dollars – not yet claimed as tax deductions
Question :
a. as i have not claimes rego fees in FY2023, can that be included in cost base ? if not, where can i be declared currently without going back to amend FY23 tax lodgement ?
b. is there any 50% CGT because I hold the car more than 1 year ?
Hi Jaysee, I can’t provide personalised tax advice here. But to answer your general question, you must always claim expenses in the year they were incurred, you cannot claim them in a different financial year. So if you missed a tax deduction in a given year, you would need to go back and amend that year’s tax return to claim it. Note that CGT does not apply to cars, and also, Uber Carshare is not business income, so different rules apply than to normal Uber income and deductions. I recommend checking out our article on Tax for Uber CarShare. If you’re looking for further tax advice I would welcome you to join our 6 Month Unlimited Email Tax Advice program. Otherwise, I hope the article is helpful! – Jess
Hi Jess, I have purchased my new car in August 2022 with the intention to drive Uber but however, due to some unavoidable circumstance I couldn’t drive Uber. Recently, I have started driving Uber again. In this regard, I would like to know whether I can claim GST credit for the purchase of car in 2022 or not. If yes do we have to consider depreciation.
Hi Sonam, no unfortunately not, if you were not actively running a business on the date that you made the purchase, then you cannot claim the GST. I’m sorry it’s not better news! – Jess
Hi Jess, Thanks so much for this extremely helpful article. We have just purchased a new vehicle and calculated the 15% depreciation for Year 1. The total cost of the vehicle includes Year 1 CTP and Rego costs as well as dealer delivery fee, dealer agency fee, loan establishment fee, vehicle security registration fee and account administration fee (for loan). Can I just fully expense these fees or do they all have to be accounted for as part of the fixed asset cost?
Hi Melissa, great question. The ATO considers all of the associated costs of purchasing the car, rego, stamp duty, dealer delivery etc, to be of the purchase cost of the car itself. So they can’t be claimed separately as expenses, they must be included in the your depreciation calculations. Separately to that, the costs of getting the loan, such as the establishment fee and admin fee, are Borrowing Costs, and must be claimed over five years, they also can’t be claimed up front. You can tell these two categories apart be checking where the expense appeared, either on the car purchase invoice or on your loan documents. – Jess
What an awesome, well written informative article. It’s now 2024, do you have an updated one or what you’ve written still stand?
Hi KC, as of the 6th of May 2024, this article has all the updates for the 2023-2024 financial year. But the ATO haven’t announced the rates for the 2024-2025 financial year yet (cents per km rate, car depreciation limit etc), so I can’t update the article for next financial year yet. We typically get these updates in late May and early June, so keep checking back and I’ll update here in due course. You can also subscribe to our Free Tax Info Pack if you haven’t already, and in mid-June I’ll send out a tax-time newsletter with all the relevant updates for Uber drivers. – Jess
Hi Jess, thank you for all the amazing information you provide for us ride-sharing drivers! Truly appreciated.
I’m registered for GST and have an 80% logbook. I’m buying a $28000 car. Could you please see if my following rough calculations correctly follow the ATO’s rules:
(1) I record the full purchase price in my BAS and pay $2545.45 in GST ($28000 / 11=$2545.45).
(2) In my FY2024 tax return, I record 80% of the ex-GST purchase price as business expense ($28000-$2545.45) x 80% = $19936. Because this amount is less than $20000, I can instantly write off the $19936 against my FY24 income and not have to apply the conventional depreciation rules.
Is that correct? Or is it the case that, because the ex-GST purchase price of $$24920 exceeds the $20000 cap, I must depreciate the car over its effective life and only claim a deduction of 80% of the depreciation value each year? In other words, is the 80% business use apportionment applied before or after the cap/threshold for instant write-off?
(3) Also, the ATO generally applies an 8-year effective life to cars used for general ride-sharing. However, how do I adjust the effective life of a second-hand car when I don’t know what it was previously used for? Say if the car is already 3 years old, do I apply a 5-year effective life when calculating depreciation?
Thank you so much!
Hi Connie, I’m glad out content has been useful! The Instant Asset Write Off is based on the total cost of the car, excluding GST, before applyign your logbook percentage. So for the purposes of the IAWO, your car’s cost is $24,920, which means it’s over the threshold and you won’t be eligible. You’ll need to use either Small Business Depreciation (15% in the first year, 30% each year after that, write off the year after the balance drops below $20k), or traditional depreciation (25% diminishing value). When using the traditional method, the 8 years just means you use a 25% rate (to be technical it’s 1/8 years x 200% = 25%). You don’t actually adjust for the history of the car, it’s just 25% on the price you paid on your day of purchase. – Jess
Thank you so much Jess for the super clear and helpful answer! Really grateful :)
Hi Jess, I have been driving UBER part time for 3 months, using a rental car. to assess the UBER experience. I’m applying for a loan for a new car. Originally I was offered a commercial loan because I have an ABN, but they want 6 months UBER driving history. Now I’ve been offered a Consumer Loan, which has different properties regarding interest etc. If I take the Consumer loan, can I still claim the GST on the purchase price of the car?
Hi Andrew, from the ATO’s perspective there is no difference between a commercial and consumer loan. Interest is interest, it doesn’t matter what branding or marketing the bank puts on the loan. You should go with whichever loan gets you the best deal, it will not affect your interest deduction or car purchase deduction in any way. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thank you for the great article. I bought your spreadsheet, and I must admit that is the best thing I’ve ever use.
I have a question about the depreciation of my car, which I bought brand new in December 2015. I’ve started driving Uber in December 2023, and I have 12 weeks logbook completed 85% rideshare use.
I am wondering if I can use any depreciation for my car this financial year, because it turns 8 years in December 2023.
Thank you in advance for your answer.
Regards,
Dani
Hi Dani, with the way the diminishing value depreciation calculation works there will still be some depreciation left. If doesn’t finish after 8 years, it just trails off to a lesser and lesser amount. You would need to calculate the diminishing value depreciation between the date you bought the car to the date you started driving Uber, and that would give you your starting value. Then you can continue the calculation and claim the depreciation as a tax deduction (as long as you have a valid 12 week logbook). If you choose to lodge your tax return through DriveTax then we’ll do this calculation for you as part of our service. Or if you’d like just the depreciation calculation on it’s own you could consider our 6 Month Unlimited Email Tax Advice package. Otherwise you can find calculators online. I hope this is helpful! – Jess
Thank you Jess,
your answer was extremely helpful. I appreciate your help.
Hi Jess,
Your information above is fantastic and extremely useful for all !
My questions are as follows:
1. I drove uber in 2019 as a part time gig to supplement my current full-time income elsewhere. When COVID19 hit, I stopped and haven’t driven since. I want to get back into it and have bought a brand new car in March 2023 – Half cash/half finance. I still have an active ABN and would like to know if I can still claim any type of GST/tax benefit if I start now. If so, is there a number of hours/income that I need to make driving uber in order to qualify for this? The car would be used for both private day to day usage but also for uber.
Many Thanks!
Joe
Hi Joe, if you weren’t validly registered for GST on the date that you purchased the car then you can’t claim GST. To be validly registered for GST you must have been actively running a business at that time. It sounds like at the time you purchased the car you weren’t actively driving for Uber, so it’s not possible to register for GST on that date, and therefore it wouldn’t be possible to claim GST on the purchase of your car. You can still claim your car expenses and depreciation starting from the date that you re-started driving for Uber, as long as you keep a valid 12 week logbook. I can’t provide personalised tax advice here, so hopefully this poitns you in the right direction, otherwise you may consider our 6 Month Unlimited Email Tax Advice package. – Jess
Hi Jess, I’ve started driving Uber part time to supplement my full time employment income. My previous 12 week logbook is representative of my business kilometres before I started driving for Uber. When I start my next 12 week log book should I separately itemise my Uber kilometres and Business kilometres or can I just calculate as one combined Business Kilometre Percentage?
Hi Rob, since your pattern of usage will have changed significantly due to starting Uber, your previous logbook is now invalid. When you keep the new logbook you must differentiate between trips for your employee job and trips for your Uber driving. This is because on your end of year tax return we must make two separate claims for your car expenses, one for the employee section of your tax return and one for the business section, so we need to know your two separate percentages. – Jess
Hello Jess, the tax and accounting rules that you mention regarding how to treat a purchased car, with a loan, and the way to depreciate it, as well as the treatment of income for the financial year.
Do the same rules apply if I have 4 vehicles in my name or that of a company and I drive one and for the other 3, I hire drivers?
Hi Felipe, broadly speaking, yes. However I cannot provide personalised tax advice here, and there may be specific factors in your business structure or operation that result in different tax implications. I recommend confirming with your company accountant. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thank you very much providing such a detialed post.
I wanted to find out if I can claim TFE for a car I purchased in June, it was delivered on 30/Jun/2023 (I purchased mid june, had to swap due to fault and there was delay in delivery). I’ve used to earn rideshare income same day 30/Jun/2023 and kept logbook since then (to cover 12 week requirement). My question is can I claim TFE for 2022-23 year? Prior to that I was using a different car for part of the year and meet the pro-rata income requirement to offset business loss against personal income.
Yes, as long as you did your first trip in your new car on or before the 30th of June 2023, and you started your 12-week logbook on or before the 30th of June (no problem if it runs into the next financial year) then you can claim the TFE write-off. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I am buying a new car and might be using it for Uber, I am registered for GST and have an ABN as I have driven for Uber earlier. The car will be in my name. As of now I am not sure what % it will be used for Uber or personal use (depending on my financial status). Couple of questions given above situation from Tax benefits/depreciation and GST refund perspective :
1. Shall I buy car in Cash or take a Loan (Do I save money if I take a loan and donot overcommit my finances by buying with 100% cash/down payment).
2. Do I simply buy in my name or shall the invoice also have my ABN number.
Hi Abhay, I’m sorry I can’t provide personalised tax advice here. But to answer your other question, in order to claim the GST, the tax invoice must show your name, and your address or your ABN. – Jess
Thanks Jess.
Hi Jess, I’m currently driving Uber (btw thank-you for the spreadsheet, I upgraded from the free version which made my first BAS so much easier).
My question however is about changing from using my own car for Uber, to a rental car (also for Uber). I started in May 2023, and have been using my own car from that point. I have a logbook for that period (about 12 weeks so far), which I am continuing to maintain.
However I want to start using a rental vehicle (as I’m finding the servicing costs on my own car to be too much). That rental vehicle would be 100% used for Uber only (which I know, would still need to be logged).
So that said, at the end of the Fin year, I’ll have own car usage in July and August (at 90% business use), and then rental car usage (at 100% business use) for the rest of the year. Is it possible to pro rata usage of the two cars in the tax return at the end of the year? Or does it end up being a single usage percentage that gets applied to the various costs of both of the cars?
many thanks in advance,
David
Hi David, the tax return allows for either approach. The first would be to total up the expenses of the two cars separately, and then complete two Motor Vehicle Schedules in the tax return with two different percentages. This is tricky with the DriveTax spreadsheet, so please email me if you go for this option). The alternative, which is a little simpler, is to just total all your car expenses up together and use one logbook percentage for the whole year. If you opt for the latter, the ATO allows you to use any 12 week period for your logbook, as long as that logbook reasonably reflects your whole year’s usage. The rule of thumb we use for this is being within +/-10%. In your case, the fairest way would be to choose a 12 week period that reflects your overall use for the year, which would include perhaps a week or so of yoru own car usage period and therefore end up just below 100%. Then next financial year you could choose a 12 week period from the same logbook that shows 100% business use which would reflect your usage going forwards. – Jess
Hi Jess, thank-you so much for the quick reply. I’m glad to hear there are options for how to deal with this situation. I’ll take some time to consider which is the best method for me, and maintain two logbooks in the meantime. By the way, I’d like to imagine that picking up the rental vehicle and driving it back to my home (so as to be ready for work the following day) would be classed as ‘business purposes’ not personal?
Hi David, tricky question, technically it’s a mix of both as per your logbook percentage (which you obviously are still in the process of completing!). But I think it’s reasonable to include the kms of that trip under business use in your logbook. – Jess
Thank-you again Jess – truly appreciate the help!
David
Hi
I’m gonna start uberdriver in Oct and my new brand car is coming in sep. In that case, how would I be able to get car gst refunded?
Thank you
Hi Gon, you will need to start your GST registration before the tax invoice date of your new car, and then you can claim the GST. You should make sure you have evidence that you are actively in the process of becoming an Uber driver (e.g. start the Uber application process) so that you will meet the ATO’s eligibility for registering for GST. – Jess
Thank you very much
Hello Jess, thank you for the beautiful article you have posted.
I have purchased a car on finance and registered myself for Uber in the month of June 2023.
My income from Uber was about $4000. Since the $20k income requirement is pro-rata, am I able to claim the uber loss against my employee income?
Your help will be highly appreciated.
Hi Ali, I can’t give personalised tax advice here, but in general terms, if your pro-rata income is over $20,000 then you can claim the Uber loss against your income. – Jess
Hey Jess Greetings- Hoping you are well and thanks for your valuable advice. I’ve reserved a brand-new vehicle from the dealer for my own usage and for part-time work as an uber driver. Before the delivery of the new car (which will cost 58k), my Uber readiness paper, among other things like ABN, GST Registration , will be finished. Can I claim any of the GST that’s shown on the Dealer Invoice? If so, how long do I need to continue driving for Uber to avoid having to repay the benefit I received? I’m asking since I work a full-time job in addition to driving for Uber. Thanks
Hi Grover, I think you’ll find that the dealer doesn’t issue the offical tax invoice until the car is delivered to you, so the timing of your GST claim will depend on the date of the invoice. Note above that you will need to do your first business trip prior to 30 June 2023 to get the TFE write-off, otherwise you’ll have to use standard small business depreciation. You will always have to pay tax on the car when you sell it, so it’s really a question of the market value at that time, the longer you driver for the lower it will be. – Jess
Thankyou Jess- Deeply Appreciate your response. Well, you are correct the Handover of the Outlander is scheduled to be around 20 July- which means not in this financial year- Implying TFE Write off option is not going to happen.
How about in a normal scenario- suppose the car is for ~58k and assume the GST is around 5k- so in this instance if I claim the GST part under ABN, but for some reasons I can drive Uber only for say 3 months- which means I need to repay this ~5k back to the ATO- because I did Uber only for a very short amount of time. My sole concern is how to benefit this GST component via Ride share- if it is not going to work out than no point putting my private brand-new vehicle on Uber Platform
Hi Grover, I think the best way to think of it is that tax is always a cost, not a benefit. No-one ever wins with taxes! So it’s better to think from the perspective of how much money you plan to earn while driving for Uber, and then subtract your car costs and the taxes, and see the leftover profit is worth your time. – Jess
Hi Jess,
You greatly explained a drawback if I stop to deliver or sell my car I previously claimed TFE for.
But what would be tax liabilities if the car was in an accident and written off?
Insurance paid market value and it was used to pay off finance debt.
So this car was stopped to use for delivery on one side but in fact it was destroyed on another side.
Thanks.
John
Hi John, it’s exactly the same situation, except the insurance payout amount is used in place of the sale price. There’s no getting around it unfortunately. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I bought a used car ($8k) and start uber delivery casually since Dec 2022. And I also have another job.
I have a log-book recording the use of my car. As I drive casually, I would expect my income from uber delivery around $7k.
My question is: if there is a loss from uber delivery (income – all the expenses and instant write-off for car), is that consider a loss from bussiness and will deduct from my job-income before consider as taxable income?
Many thanks!
Hi Jack, the section in the article on Business Losses will answer this. The threshold is $20k, so if you’ve been driving for six months it is pro rated to $10k. It sounds like you’re expecting to be below this level, which means you won’t be able to claim the loss, and instead it will be carried forward. The Business Losses section explains in more detail. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I have had an active ABN sitting unused since the start of the 2022/23 financial year. I then started doing Uber deliveries at the start of January 2023 and started a Lawn care business at the start of March.
My question is about the $20k revenue requirement before writing a loss off against personal income.
Since my ABN has been active for the full financial year, so I need to earn $20k revenue to write off my loss, or can I do pro-rata from the date that I started Uber or the lawn care business?
I have just read your response above, about the two separate business activities, under the same ABN, being separate when it comes to working out whether you’ve earned $20k to write off a loss against personal income…
I’m hoping that if my lawn and garden business has only been active since March 1st 2023, I would only need to earn 20000*4/12 to have a pro-rata income that allows the loss writeoff?
Thanks,
Cam
Hi Cam, you’re correct about the pro-rata, so for someone who starts Ubering or any other business on the 1st of March, their income threshold to claim losses would be $20,000 / 12 months x 4 months = $6,667, as you said. If you have multiple business activities these are treated separately. So you would need $6,667 of Uber income in order to claim Uber losses, and then separately, you would need $6,667 of income on your other business to claim that business’s losses. If you only hit that level of sales on one of the two businesses, then you can only claim that business’s losses, and the other businesses losses would be carried forward to future years. – Jess
Thanks heaps Jess,
So I have been using your Uber logbook, including Uber and my lawn mowing business. If my logbook was 40% Uber and 40% lawns, do I need to consider the cost of the car as 40% for each and could only offset the loss/cost against the business activity that hits the 20k prorate?
Eg, I buy a car for $20k. Use it 40% Uber and 40% lawns. Only lawns hits $6667 for my four months, so I can only offset 20k x 40% = $8000 of value of car against employment income? The 40% for Uber can only reduce my net income to zero for that business activity?
It’s confusing with some rules for the abn but some for the individual business activities isn’t it!
Hi Cam, you’re absolutely right, when it comes to the loss rules, we have to treat them like two entirely separate businesses, even though in your BAS’s and tax returns they’re reported as all mixed in together. So your example calculation is all correct. Note that in your logbook you’ll need to label each trip so that you know which business activity it was for, so that you can calculate your two separate logbook percentages. – Jess
Thanks Jess – you’re doing amazing work!
Can someone use two cars under their sole trader abn?
Eg – one car on cents per km for their smaller income-earning activity and another car on logbook for their larger income-earning activity, to ensure that logbook gets closer to 100%?
Thanks for the kind words Cam! Yes, claiming one car on the logbook method and another on the cents per km method is no problem. However I think the ATO might question whether your logbook genuinely reflected your average business use (as you alluded to), so my advice would be to keep a rough logbook of the cents per km car too, just to prove that your claims for both cars genuinely show your year-round regular usage. Also make sure that you don’t include your fuel and other deductions from your cents per km car in your business deductions. – Jess
Hello Jess!
I have a question, is a Novated Leased Car valid to use for Uber? Thank you!!
Hi Lautaro, from Uber’s perspective I don’t think they care about the ownership of your car, as long as it meets their requirements. From the novated lease company’s perspective, you would need to check their terms and conditions about permitted usage of the car. From the ATO’s perspective, you can’t claim a tax deduction for costs that you have salary packaged (i.e. paid for out of pre-tax salary), you can only claim for expenses that you paid for out of post-tax salary. – Jess
Hi Jess,
If I were to buy a used car, say a 2021 vehicle, would I still be able to take advantage of the instant write off? Or would it be an instant write off of the current residual value? Thanks!
Hi Omair, the ATO always goes by your purchase price, even if you bought the car second hand. This is true for both the write-off and for regular depreciation. – Jess
Hello Jess,
I have started my online Uber driver application this week and planning to buy a new car soon. However, since it’s already past June, I believe I cannot use the 12 week logbook method now for this year tax return and will have to use cpkm – am I right?
Does that also mean I won’t be able to claim TFE in my FY23 tax return? Or can I still claim TFE if I maintain a 12 week logbook starting this month Oct 2022. Could you pls clarify. Thanks
Hi Pradeep, it sounds like you started driving during the 2022-2023 financial year, so if you start your logbook sometime in the 2022-2023 financial year then you can use it for your 2022-2023 tax return. – Jess
Hi! Jess ,
I have been searching up the answer for my situation recently and wondering if you can please help me clarify .
I do full time in ride-sharing and i net after all expenses in a financial year just under $100k . Due to the crazy petrol prices i am thinking of just buying outright a Tesla around $60k and using it for full time ride share .
If i were to take this route how would my tax roughly look like? How much can i claim , how much can i get back etc.. ? And in my situation can i claim the full $60k car?
Also if i buy privately i just need the seller to write me a receipt and proof of purchase details, and car documents, transfer papers etc.. ? I thought that it also have to be purchased at a dealer ? Otherwise if purchased privately anyone can just write up any amount?
Thanks
Hi Ricky, I’m sorry I can’t give personalised tax advice here. I hope the blog post above is helpful, or you might consider our 6 Month Unlimited Email Tax Advice program. But to answer the second part of your question, you can absolutely claim for a car purchased privately. You must get the seller to write a receipt. That would line up with the transaction in your bank account, and also with the value you declare on the transfer papers when you pay stamp duty to your state road authority. Naturally to overstate the purchase amount would be tax fraud, and these other data points, the transfer documents and the bank transactions, would show evidence of that. – Jess
Hello Jess ,
I think you misunderstood my second half of the question, of course everyone knows that is tax fraud , so my point is I thought it always have to be purchased at the car dealer with proper receipt and everything not from a private seller Otherwise if purchased privately then anyone can just write up anything and any amount. So my point to the question is I thought it always have to be purchased at a dealer and not from a private seller . I didn’t ask if its ok if you can just write up anything on the receipt. Everyone knows that is not allowed and why would I ask like that? .
Thanks Jess for for taking the time to answer my question .
Hi Rick, I completely understand and didn’t think that’s what you were thinking at all. It’s just important for me to be clear for all readers of this website! – Jess
Hi.
I know that we claim GST for the new car you buy for Uber on your BAS, and you claim the depreciation or TFE on your annual Income Tax Return. Can we claim the stamp duty paid for the car as well? Also when do we claim the other deductions like fuel, car washing or cleaning fees and maintenance costs? Are they also on the BAS as they occur or on the annual tax return? I am using the logbook method.
Hi Sam, the stamp duty forms part of the total cost of your car. If you bought from a dealer the stamp duty should be part of the tax invoice, or if you bought privately and paid your stamp duty separately to the cost of the car you’ll just add them both together when claiming the car on your BAS and tax return. For other car deductions, yes they are claims on both your BAS and tax return as well. I recommend checking out our articles on BAS’s for Uber Drivers and Tax Returns for Uber Drivers. – Jess
Hi Jess.
I bought a car five years ago, which I’ve used for rideshare. I did not claim GST at the time.
I’ve recently sold the car to a dealer.
Am I liable to pay GST on that sale, even though i didn’t claim GST at the time of purchase?
Thanks, Stephen
Hi Stephen, assuming you bought the car before you were registered for GST, then yes technically this is correct. The ATO requires you to pay GST on the sale of any business asset. There are some rules on making a ‘decreasing adjustment’ on the GST payable on the sale of an asset, but one of the specific exclusions on these rules is if you aquired the asset before you became registered for GST, which is often the case for rideshare drivers. In this case there is no adjustment, and so the GST is payable. (See here for the full GST ruling, note point 39 and the example at point 46.) – Jess
Great artcile, answers most of the questions. You are doing a great service for the Uber community.
Quick question – You mentioned that you will have to assess the market value of the car as taxable if you stop driving for Uber. What happens in a situation where you are not completely stopping it, but substantially reducing it e.g. From 80% business use to 40% business use. Do we still need to assess the 40% reduction in business use as taxable, or we can wait till the year, we completely stop driving for Uber?
Hi Dinesh, under the ATO’s current Temporary Full Expensing rules, small businesses currently don’t have to adjust where the percentage of use changes, only upon sale. However the TFE rules are currently only legislated up to the end of the 2023 financial year, so keep in mind that this could change in the future. – Jess
Hi
I have paid my car loan last financial year and I’m not sure how to report it. Could not find any of this info on your blog as a scenario. Any chance you can advise on this?
Regards
Hi Marcin, your car loan repayments are not deductible, only the interest (as long as you have a logbook). You can check your car loan statements to see the interest you paid for the financial year, and this is deductible on your end of year tax return. The loan principal is not deductible because it is the same as the cost of the car itself, you would have claimed this through depreciation or the Instant Asset Write Off/Temporary Full Expensing. To also claim the car repayments would mean you are claiming the cost of the car twice. – Jess
Hi I have bought a used car on 03-06-2022 for $13000 privately. Can i claim full amount for depreciation as no gst is involved? My uber usage has gone down due to a job so i have started a new logbook from june onwards and i estimate it yo be around 50%. I believe I can only use simplified depreciation as it is a used car.So can I claim diminishing depreciation or do i need to create small business pool as i dont want to claim temporary full expensing? One more thing will bank transfer be enough as a proof of purchase or do i need any other document? Thanks
Hi Sam, new or used is not relevant to any of the depreciation rules, all types of cars are eligible. Small business pools are not an option this year, they have been replaced with Temporary Full Expensing. If you want to opt-out of TFE, your only other choice is to just traditional 25% diminishing value depreciation. If you purchased the car privately then there will likely be no GST on the purchase price, so the whole amount would be depreciable, and you do need some kind of documentary evidence. Ideally you should get the seller to write an invoice, but if it’s too late and you don’t have it, you should collect all the other documents such as the bank statement, registration papers etc and keep them together in case the ATO should request to see. – Jess
Hi Jess, Thanks for your reply.I have recalculated my car effective life as 3 years as its 2014 toyota Camry with 150k kms.Is it correct??
And do I need receipts for $100-200 expenses for repair and maintenance of car or will bank statement/diary record be sufficient? Thanks
Hi Sam, if you are using traditional depreciation rather than Temporary Full Expensing, the ATO’s official rate of 25% diminishing value is fixed. You’re right that for some types of assets you can self-assess the effective life, but cars don’t meet the requirement, they will always be 25%. For GST claims you must have a tax invoice for expenses over $82.50. For tax returns a bank statement may be sufficient where you don’t have a full receipt. Diary notes are not permitted except for coin operated car washes and parking meters that don’t issue receipts. – Jess
Hi Jess.
I’ve bought a new car and pick it up next week…paid cash so no finance.
Haven’t registered for Uber ride share yet but am considering doing this in the very near future.
I have no taxable income at the moment.
How will this work out for me tax and expense wise if I decide to go ahead in about a month from now?
Hi Brian, I’m sorry I can’t give personal advice here. If you would like personalised advice you may like to consider our 6 Month Unlimited Email Tax Advice package, otherwise you should be able to find all the relevant details in the post above. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I am using my son car to do Uber Drive, I am wondering if I can make any claim on the car at all? Thanks a million. Jon
Hi John, yes you can use a car that belongs to a family member, but it must be “your car” in practice, you have the keys and you can use it whenever you choose (it’s fine if your son drives it too). Remember you must keep a logbook in order to claim the tax deductions. – Jess
Do you have a telephone consultation service? If there is any, please tell me how to calculate the relevant consultation fee. It is about using ABN to buy a new car and GST tax refund. I want to clarify. I think the six-month service package is not suitable for me. I look forward to your response, thank you for your article sharing
Hi Milo, I’m sorry we don’t have a telephone consultation service, all our tax advice is provided through our 6 Month Unlimited Email Tax Advice service. If you are looking for a phone or face-to-face consultation I would recommend seeking out an accountant in your local area. In the meantime I hope our blog post above was helpful. All the best! – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thank you so much for all these informative articles.
I have a question and hope you could kindly shed some light.
My old car for Uber was traded in and I paid GST on the sale price that quarter. I am just confused with the tax return part. Should I still include the sale price (excl GST) in my gross income, and then pay for the tax (sale price*business%*marginal tax rate), given that no depreciation has ever been claimed against this car? Or no tax needs to be paid on the sale price as the car never depreciated from the perspective of ATO?
Thank you!!
Hi Yang, you’re exactly right. The amount that has to be declared is the profit on sale, but if the car was never brought into account in the first place then as far as the business accounts are concerned there is nothing to sell. You were correct to declare the GST as those rules work differently. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thanks for the info above but still confusing none the less for tax dummies like me.
I’ve been driving UBER full time for last 2 years. My accountant claimed the Full right off last fin year on the vehicle I have now. Due to the km”s I plan to upgrade my vehicle. What is my best course of action for me in doing this. I will though , however be starting a casual job in the very near future and will be doing half the amount of hours for UBER.
How do I tackle this and what is best tax strategy for me?
Thanks
Hi Jason, I’m sorry I can’t give personalised tax advice here. Generally speaking, when you sell/trade-in the car you will pay income tax on the sale price x your logbook percentage. This will usually be cancelled out by claiming the write off of the new car purchase price x your logbook percentage. Note that if your pattern of usage changes by +/-10% your old logbook will become invalid and you will need to keep a new one. I hope this is helpful! – Jess
Hi Jess,
Apologies if this has already been answered.
I have a novated lease through my employer and have a pre and post tax amount that is paid automatically each pay, I earn about $100k with overtime p.a.
I have just signed up for Uber and intend to start shortly, just wondering what I can claim and if it’s worth it to actually do Uber driving. I catch public transport to work and will only be using my car for Uber most of the time.
Generally speaking do I need to change my insurance as well? Or do novated leases normally have the correct insurance for Uber coverage already incorporated.
Thanks heaps!
Hi Jacob, if you salary package your car, you can only claim a deduction for the post-tax portion of your lease payments. You cannot claim for the pre-tax portion or for any other salary packaged amounts. This is because you have already received the tax benefit through the salary packaging, to claim again would be double-dipping. You will need to keep a logbook in order to claim these deductions. I cannot speak to insurance, you would need to check this with the insurance company. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Great article!
Quick question, I am considering starting driving Uber for the predominant purpose of getting a new car cheaper and trying to work out if the effort is worth the benefit.
I am reasonably tax Savy, earn approx $140k salary, looking at a car approx $50k, log book say 85% Uber. Obviously it is vital to get to the $20,000 gross Uber amount.
In your examples above re tax benefits, it doesn’t include the refunded GST and the income received from the actual driving if you were to assess the net situation in its totality, is that correct? Also, the interest paid on the income producing asset (car) does that go to the BAS or can it end up against the salary as a deduction?
Do you have any suggestions on a quick way to work out the time cost vs $$$ benefit?
Cheers,
M
Hi Matt, it’s almost impossible to give a generalised answer to this question because there are just so many variables. It depends on your income, the car you buy, how you finance it, where you live, what hours you drive, and lots of other factors. You make like to check out this post on our blog that discusses this in more detail. To work out your overall benefit you would need to project how much you intend to earn against the specific costs of your car, multiply all of this by your marginal tax rate, and then weigh this against the time it would take you to clock up $20,000 of income.
To answer your question about GST, you would certainly include the GST refund on your car purchase when evaluating your cost/benefit, but equally, you need to factor in that you’d be paying 1/11th of your profits to the ATO each quarter as GST. There is no GST on interest so it is only a deduction in your tax return, not in your BAS. It is included as a business expense, and all business expenses would only be deducible against your employee income if you met the $20,000 gross income test.
Remember also that if you stop Uber driving then you will be required to pay back the bulk of the GST on your car purchase, and also pay back the tax on your Instant Asset Write Off/Temporary Expensing, so it’s important to be sure you’ll drive for the long term before you go ahead and make these claims.
My strongest piece of advice for anyone considering this path is that before you commit to purchasing your car, trial Uber driving in your current car (or rent one if your current car isn’t eligible) to see whether you enjoy Uber driving, and in particular to see how many hours of driving per week would be required to get to the $20,000 threshold based on your location and on the hours you are available to drive.
I’m sorry this isn’t a direct answer to your question, but I hope it’s helpful! – Jess
Hi Jess,
You’ve mentioned throughout that you would have to pay back tax once you sell the vehicle or stop Uber driving. If you simply reduce your hours (and hence income) in subsequent tax years after you claim the instant asset write off, but still continue Uber driving very minimally say 1 hour/week, would you still have to pay any tax back?
Hi Ed, this is a complicated question because it depends on which depreciation rules applied at the time that you purchased the vehicle. If you purchased the car under Temporary Full Expensing rules, then you are not required to make an adjustment (i.e. pay tax) when your business use percentage decreases. So in that case your strategy could certainly work. I have not been able to find a clear answer on the tax impact when you do eventually stop driving, whether your final adjustment is based on only your logbook percentage at that time (which would be quite low), or whether it’s an average over the whole period. I will investigate further and report back once I have a better answer on this! – Jess
Thanks Jess – glad I could bring up a curly one for you :)
Hi Jess
Just bought a new car before the finically year ended. I’m GST registered, so all good there. I do my BAS online but it does not give me the option to add the Asset as a capital expense G10 like it mentions on the ATO site…is it best to contact the ATO direct…and sit on the phone for hours. Or is there something else I can do?
Len
Hi Len, small businesses don’t have to fill in G10 or G11. You just have to fill in the correct amount at 1B and then you can submit your BAS. – Jess
Hi Jess, awesome newsletter and service you are providing.
I purchased a vehicle with a ITWO of 75% in my 2017 return as a sole trader (not registered for GST) and have been using said since then claiming ongoing expenses. I’m about to gain full time employment from an organisation as my business never really worked out. I understand from above if I do nothing and keep the car the ATO will claim back a portion of the value on tax in my following return… However if I traded this car on a new salary sacrifice car via the new hiring organisation would I be liable for tax on the trade-in price as per examples? If so how does the ATO recognise this?
Cheers
Mark
Hi Mark, regardless of whether you sell, trade-in or keep your rideshare/delivery vehicle, when you stop using it for business purposes you must pay tax on the sale/trade-in price or market value. And if you are registered for GST immediately before you stop using it for business then you must also pay GST on the sale price/market value. If there is no agreed sale or trade-in price then you will need to estimate the market value. The best way to do this is to go to carsales.com.au, find three cars that are as equivalent to your car as you can, and take the average of their three values. But Mark in your case if you traded in then there should be a trade-in value specified somewhere and this is what you would use for the ATO. – Jess
Hi
I salary sacrifice my car but the payment is split pre and post tax. I understand I can’t claim the pre tax amounts due to double dipping but what about the amounts that are taken post tax? Can these be claim via a 12 week log book?
Hi Paul, yes, post-tax lease payments are absolutely tax-deductible with a logbook, as are any other running costs (fuel, cleaning etc) that you pay for out of after-tax dollars. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thanks for the website and information, it’s been very helpful. I bought a car for 100% uber in January 21. The car was $40k (cash purchase). I claimed the GST portion in my Q3 BAS. I intend to ‘instant write off’ the remaining $36+k against my 20/21 tax return as I will gain a 45% benefit against the $36+k vehicle purchase. My current income from Uber is gross $12K since Jan ‘21. Across my whole ABN income for 20/21 I will have tax to pay, but do I need to earn $20k+ from Uber before 30.6.21 to be able to get the instant write off of the car benefit across my whole ABN income? Is the $20k issue only relevant if the other income is from a salaried job?
Hi Darren. Employee income is not counted when looking at business losses. It is only your ABN income (i.e. rideshare/food delivery income) which is taken into account when applying the business loss rules. So for drivers who have under $20k of ABN income, if the instant asset write-off/full expensing amount is more than the amount of your Uber net profit, the excess tax deduction will carry forward as a loss, and it can be claimed against future ABN profits. Example 4 above explains in more detail. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thanks for the reply, my other ABN isn’t from rideshare or deliveries, so assume the $12k from rideshare will form part of my overall ABN income and I can offset the instant write off figure for the car purchase against the ABN overall total even though most of my ABN income is from another job completely?
Thanks Darren
Hi Darren, normally ABN incomes and from two different business activities are combined together. But when it comes to the ATO loss rules they are considered separately. So generally speaking you would need to have $20k of income on that business activity in order to claim the loss against your other business activity or against your employee income. The intricacies of these rules are more complicated than what I can explain in writing, so in the situation that you have two business activities and one is in a loss after claiming the instant asset write-off I would recommend having your tax return prepared by DriveTax or another tax agent for that financial year. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I am doing full-time Uber Eats since July 2020. I am planning to buy a new car around $25,000 in May 2021 for Uber Eats. Will this car be eligible for an instant asset write off? According to my friend it won’t be eligible. He said the asset was supposed to be bought before 31st of December 2020 to be eligible.
What is the Temporary full expensing method for business? Can I claim my car under that? Please reply. Thanks
Hi MK, you can find all the answers to your questions in the blog post above under the heading ‘Instant Asset Write-Off and Temporary Full Expensing’. And I always recommend that you only take tax advice from a professional tax agent, not from a friend! =) – Jess
Hi Jess,
Need your help here please. My husband drives for Uber and recently traded in the old car and bought a new one. Questions are:
1. The old car was purchased before GST registration, so we didn’t claim GST on it, but we did claim GST and tax deductions on the car expenses. So I think it was a business asset and we have to pay ATO the GST on the trade-in price multiplied by business %. Am I right?
2. For the old car, we didn’t use the instant asset write off, and we never claimed depreciation for tax return either (simply didn’t want to bother as he didn’t make a lot money lol). Now as it was traded in, do we still have to make a balancing adjustment in the coming tax return? If yes, it would be purchase price minus trade-in price, which is an under-claim?
Thank you so much for your time!
Hi Steph, I’m sorry I can’t give personalised tax advice here, but I can answer your question generally. If you are GST registered and you make a sale of a business asset then this is a taxable sale, and therefore GST applies. This is true regardless of whether you claimed GST when you bought the car or started using it for business. You will need to pay GST of 1/11th of the sale price of the car multiplied by your business use percentage, this is added to G11 on your BAS. The rules are a little different for depreciation. If the car was never depreciated in your tax return then there is no ‘balancing adjustment’ on disposal, so you don’t have to declare anything. I hope this is helpful! – Jess
Hi Jess, I have just purchased a new car from a dealer.
I am not registered for GST, however I have an old ABN that I used for a contract job long time back.
I am now thinking of working for uber eats.
Can I claim the GST cost of the Vehicle if I start working for Uber eats and get my ABN register for GST.
Please advice. Thanks Ron
Hi Ron, in order to be eligible to register for GST you must have evidence that you had started actively running your business on that date. For Uber drivers that usually means the date you started the Uber application process. It sounds like you only started thinking about Uber at a later time, and you haven’t yet started the application process, so I’m afraid it’s not possible to backdate your GST registration to an earlier date. You can read more about GST registration dates in our blog post on GST for Uber Drivers. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I just resigned from my current job and looking for a new opportunity, meanwhile I get a new job I am planning to drive uber. Also, once I get a new job, I will be stopping driving uber. In this case, can you please let me know what can be the best option I can take from a tax perspective? I need to buy a used/new car as well to drive with Uber.
Hi Kannan, I’m sorry I can’t provide personal advice here. I will say that the Instant Asset Write’Off is not recommended for anyone who will only be driving for the short term because you just have to pay all the tax refund back again, this is explained in more detail above. If you would like personalised advice you may like to consider our 6 Month Unlimited Email Tax Advice Package. But in the meantime I hope the blog post above will give you details about the pros and cons of each type of deduction method, finance and other options. – Jess
Hi
I have started driving Uber ( in Perth) since last two weeks and now want to upgrade to a new car ( buy a new car) . Will I be eligible to buy a new one by just being u we driver? If yes what documents do I need ? If no, how could I become eligible to buy a new car? Many thanks.
Hi Sri, yes if you are driving for Uber or UberEats and you buy a car you can claim a tax deduction, but remember you MUST keep a 12 week logbook. You can read more about that in our blog post on Tax Deductions for Uber Drivers. – Jess
Hi Jess,
What happens if you buy a car through a Novated Lease – how does tax deductibility/ instant asset write-off work in that situation?
Thanks.
Hi Andy, when you say Novated Lease I presume that is through your employer? If yes, please see the notes on Salary Packaging in the post above. – Jess
I wasn’t thinking through an employer, but a private arrangement, like a rent-to-buy scheme. I’m not sure of the details, but I thought some fleet car sales offer a payment system that’s leasing payments towards ownership when the full amount is paid off.
Hi Andy, sure thing. there are lots of different fancy names for different kinds of finance out there, but ultimately to the ATO every single is one classed either as a loan or a lease. As described above, if you are the legal owner of the car then it’s a loan, and if someone else is the legal owner of the car then it’s a lease. Rent to buy follows the exact same rules. During the term of the lease, the lease company is the legal owner of the car so it’s still a lease, up until the date you become the legal owner of the car. – Jess
Ok, thanks heaps Jess.
Hi Jess,
Thank you for such an informative article and the spreadsheet for BAS returns, really appreciate that. I just had a quick question for clarification, I bought a brand new car from a dealer ship January this year (2020), valued at $37,000 (7 seater). I claimed full GST in BAS for that quarter, I was wondering if I can claim full depreciation or is it 25% for the next 4 years? ( I read somewhere somewhere I could claim 50% the first year, but I may have mistaken) looking forward to your answer.
Thanks Heaps!
Hi Vishal, you have a choice whether to claim the instant asset write off or claim small business depreciation, which is essentially 15% in the first year (no apportionment for number of days) and 30% each year after that. You can choose whichever method suits you best. You can find more information in the blog post above under the headings Instant Asset Write Off and Small Business Depreciation. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I have a question re GST and depreciation. I bought my car in Feb 2020 and started driving for Uber in May 2020.
1. If I didn’t claim GST on purchase of the car (I bought it before I was registered for GST), do I still have to pay GST on sale once I sell it?
2. Let’s say I bought the car for $16,000 (ex GST) and depreciated $2,200 (80% uber use/20% private use) over this (FY 19/20) and next financial year (FY 20/21) and then I sell it in July 2021 for $14,000. So the residual value as of 30/6/2021 would be $13,800 and I would only be taxed on the difference btw selling price and residual value ($200)? Am I correct? And how the split btw uber and private use affects the residual value?
Thank you
Boris
Hi Boris, if your car is actively used in your business then it is considered to be a business asset, so GST does apply when you sell it, even if you didn’t claim GST when you bought it. There is some discretion where you owned a car for many years as a private asset, then you temporarily use it for a few weeks for Uber before buying another car specifially for Uber, in that case it could be argued that the car was still a private asset. But generally speaking once you’ve been using the car for Uber for a longer period of time it is a business asset. Regarding deprecation your scenario is correct, and the your logbook would apply to the depreciation claims and to the ‘balancing adjustment’ on sale. – Jess
Is the limit to claim depreciation upto 57000 yearly or life of the car ….. for eg buy a car 130k and claim 25% depreciation for 4 years or incase of instant write only 57k could be claimed.
Hi Harjeet, it’s for the life of the car. So instead of using your car’s actual purchase price, you would use the depreciation limit (excluding GST if you are GST-registered). You would then depreciate or write-off this amount. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Just I have a quick question, Suppose my Uber income is 50K and cost of the new car is 35K, Can I deduct the full cost of the car under instant write off method( as the ceiling has been increased to 150k until 31st December) or I have to depreciate over the time or I need to purchase the car below 30k to maintain threshold. Seeking your suggestion please.
Also suppose that I have income under TFN is 80K. How do we calculate overall tax.
Hi Dipendra, if you bought the car between 12th March and 31 December 2020 then the instant asset write off threshold is $150k, BUT remember the car limit brings the actual amount you can claim down to $57,581 (2020FY) or $59,136 (2021 FY) (if you are registered for GST then divide these by 1.1). You are free to choose whether to claim the instant asset write off or claim depreciation. You can read more about how the tax on yorurUber income and expenses is calculated in our blog post Uber Tax Explained. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I’m a new driver and I found your website highly informative. Thank you for that. I intend to start off as uber eats driver. And probably do parcel delivery as well. Is it safe to say I don’t need to register for GST as I would be driving part time. And I’m pretty sure I can’t earn above $75000 in a financial year
Hi Fara, I recommend checking out our blog posts on GST for Uber Drivers, and also Tax for Food Delivery Drivers, they will answer all of your questions! – Jess
Very helpful article, thanks? My question is to claim the instant asset rite off, does the car need to be purchased in the current year? I have a 2 year old car and starred Uber eats last August. Do I orkout it’s depreciated value then write off the balance x log book rate?
Hi Ramona, yes that’s exactly right. You would work out the depreciation from purchase date until you started Uber using the diminishing value method at 25% (the depreciation rate for cars), and then based on that depreciated value you can start small business depreciation or the instant asset write-off. – Jess
Thank you, spoke to an accountant who was adamant you couldn’t do this.
Hi Ramona, here’s the link from the ATO’s depreciation guide. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I am doing part time Uber under ABN Sole Proprietor. I plan to buy a 2 years old used car for Uber at the price of $13,000 and the purchase will be made before end of financial year FY2019/2020 . Please help to comment on the following:
1) In order for me to claim the GST input tax on the car purchase sum (in BAS for April to June 2020) and also car related expenses in the future quarters’ BAS, is it compulsory to state my ABN number In the tax invoice from used car dealer or just the name will suffice?
2) Do I need to register the car under ABN in order for me to charge out vehicle related expenses (such as vehicle depreciation, fuel, maintenances etc)?
3) As the car which I am going to buy is a 2 years old used car, how shall go about on depreciation?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Hi Eric, for expenses over $1,000 in order to claim GST the tax invoice must show the buyer’s identity (i.e. name) or ABN. The ATO does not look at the registration when determining deductibility so it doesn’t matter for example if it is registered in a friend or family member’s name, as long as it actually ‘belongs’ to you in a practical sense, for example it’s parked in your driveway, available whenever you need to use it etc. Calculating depreciation is a complex topic that’s too detailed to explain here. You can learn more on the ATO’s website or in our online course Understanding Uber Taxes. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thanks for your prompt reply.
I have another question on depreciation which I hope you can help to address.
Considering it is a 2 years old used car with 6 years driving life for Uber remaining, which is the best depreciation method to use? Simplified depreciation for small business or General depreciation rules – prime costs method? Can you help to elaborate further on each method?
If using General depreciation rules – prime costs method, do I depreciate the costs of $13,000 over 6 years (16.67%) considering 6 years is the remaining life of the vehicle use for Uber?
FYI, I do not intend to apply instant asset write off as my income from part time Uber is low.
Thanks!
Hi Eric, you would need to calculate each depreciation method in order to find which one gives you the largest deduction, as it depends on the timing of your purchase. The effective life of a vehicle is 8 years, but remember you get double depreciation using diminishing value rather than prime cost. Or small business depreciation is a higher rate again. These topics are too complex to go into detail here. Please refer to the links I provided, or for personalised tax help you may like to consider our 6 Month Unlimited Email Support Package and then I can run the calculations for you. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I am planning to buy a car from my wife and transfer into my name for Uber. I have set up a company to do Uber. Can I transfer the car to my name rather than company to exempt from transfer duty and still claim the instant asset write off from the company taxable income?
Hi Malcom, I generally would not recommend using a company for Uber, they are much more expensive accounting-wise and if Uber is your only income you may end up paying more tax in the company rather than in your personal name. If you need personalised advice on this you can contact me via our Tax Advice Package. I can’t comment on stamp duty as it’s different from state to state and it’s done through your state’s roads authority not the tax office so not my area of expertise. From a tax perspective if the car is owned in your personal name then you would claim the deductions in your personal tax return, but you would need income to claim it against, so the company would have to pay you wages, meaning PAYG Withholding and Super. Also you could not claim the GST on those expenses since you would not be GST-registered yourself. Or if it is owned in the company name then the company can claim the tax deductions and instant asset write-off and also the GST, but then you would have to pay Fringe Benefits Tax on any personal use of the vehicle. Both options come with complications! Generally speaking the simplest and cheapest option for most people is to do Uber in your personal name as a sole trader. – Jess
Hi Jess,
For a new car log book, do I need to start the log book immediately after the purchase or just before June 30? I’m going to claim the instant asset write off.
Thanks in advance
Hi Mike, as long as the logbook starts before 30 June and runs for 12 weeks it will be eligible. It’s no problem if it runs over into next financial year, as long as it covers at least one day of this financial year. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thank you for your valuable information and the effort and clarity you put into your explanations. The questions on this forum regarding acquiring a vehicle are based around renting, leasing, loan, etc. Would you recommend someone if they are in a position financially to purchase a vehicle outright to use for Uber, i.e. not financed in any way, a sound strategy (from a taxation perspective)? Assumption is 100% business (Uber) use, vehicle value $40-$45K. Does other earned and investment income come into the equation as well when considering the best way to purchase a vehicle for Uber use? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Hi Brian, thanks for the great feedback! Purchasing outright is always cheaper than financing. If you get a loan and pay interest you can claim a tax deduction for that interest, but the tax deduction is only at your marginal tax rate. So for example if your marginal tax rate is 34.5% (incl Medicare Levy) for $1,000 of interest you only get $345 back on tax, the rest comes out of your own pocket. So if you can avoid that cost you’ll definitely be better off. You will need to weigh this up against the cashflow benefits or a loan or lease that allows you to pay over time, especially right now when interest rates are so low. This is a personal decision that only you can make. I hope this is helpful! – Jess
Thanks Jess, appreciate your prompt reply.
Hi, I’ve just purchased a car from a private seller for using it for uber. If I want to claim the full amount in my tax return then how much I can claim. May I claim full car amount of car value even my income from uber will less than the actual purchase value as I have gross income from another job as well. Thanks
Hi Gagan, you can claim a deduction for the price of the car multiplied by your logbook percentage. If the cost of the car is under the instant asset write off threshold you can choose whether to claim the cost upfront or depreciate it over time. Or if the cost of the car is over the instant asset write off threshold you cannot claim it upfront, you must depreciate it. But if you only have low income from Uber then it may make sense to claim depreciation rather than the write-off anyway. The strategy is more complex than what I can explain here, but I hope this gives you some information to start with. If you decide to lodge your tax return with us we would work through it all with you at tax time, or you can learn about how depreciation works in our online course. But the main thing for now is to keep a logbook. Enjoy your new car! – Jess
Hi Jess
What is best for tax purpose? A totally separate car for Uber and family car with novated lease? or just one car under novated lease that will be used for Uber part time?
Thank heaps.
Rick
Hi Rick, it’s not really possible to answer this question for sure without fully calculating the exact costs of both options. But with two cars there would be two sets of registration, two sets of insurance, two sets of annual servicing, and two assets loosing value from depreciation. Even though you’d get some of it back on tax, I would guess that this would outweigh any tax benefits. As I said though, without knowing your personal circumstances this is only a very generalised answer. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Great article, commendable.
I keep reading this fact that you can only claim GST on Car price if you’re (were) registered for GST before purchase.
I started driver-partner process with Uber in May 2019 with old car (2010 model with 1year of ubering left) but didn’t complete registration process because there wasn’t enough Uber-time left on the car.
So I sold my old car and bought brand new Car in Aug 2019 with the sole intention of driving it for Uber, and during the process I was told by Uber that I have to register for GST in order to drive with Uber.
I had no idea prior to purchasing new car that I’ll need to register for GST.
Question is, I registered for GST after purchasing new car which is being driven for Uber 96% of the total use (based on completed logbook).
Can I still claim GST as well as Income tax write off on the price of vehicle.
Car is on three year secured finance.
Thanks Much!!
Hi Ben, you will need to backdate the start date of your GST-Registration to the date you purchased the car in order to be able to claim it. Since you had started the Uber application process before that date I’m sure the ATO will be fine with backdating. Don’t forget our free GST Registration service as part of our free Uber Tax Info Pack. – Jess
HI Jess ,
I drive a Uber part time – use the same car for personal use : 40% (200km) and for uber 60% ( 300km) in a week I do have log book .
My question is I am register with Uber at 2016 also registered for GST/BAS used the same car till Dec 2019 , all my bas is up to date …….sold the car for 6.5K inc gst then bought a car for 24K in Dec 2019. At the point of selling my old car and purchase my new car i was register for uber as business and gst bas etc ……so from my understanding I shoukld be able to cliam gst for about gst payable 590.91 and claimable is 2181.82 so the difference i could claim?
Hi Suresh, that’s mostly correct, but you must apply your logbook percentage to those figures. So 60% of the GST on the car you sold is payable, and 60% of the GST on the car you purchased is claimable. Also, you can only claim GST on the new car if you bought from a dealer. The GST amount may not be exactly 1/11th of the purchase price because some charges do not have GST, so please check your tax invoice for the GST amount. – Jess
Hi Jess,
If a motor vehicle using as a primary asset for generating income, the vehicle limit is not applicable for calculating depreciation and GST claim. Isn’t it ?
Hi Josh, that’s incorrect, the luxury car limit DOES apply for business assets for both GST and depreciation. This is indeed the point of the luxury car limit. The ATO are essentially saying that there are plenty of cars below that price that could perform the practical functions required for any business. So if someone chooses to buy a car costing more than this, they are probably doing so for personal enjoyment reasons, and they shouldn’t be allowed to have a tax deduction for that extra amount. I hope this answers your question! – Jess
Hi Jess,
I am privately selling my car, which I have used for ride share purpose for almost 3 years. I have never claimed any car depreciation. Do I need to pay tax on the selling price now? Second, do I need to notify CPV or any other government body about this?
Thanks in Advance.
Ash
Hi Ash, whenever you sell a car that has been used as a business asset you must declare that sale as taxable income, and if you are registered for GST you must pay GST on the sale price as well. I’m sorry I can’t advise on car registration matters or sale processes, you will need to find this out from your state’s road authority. – Jess
Hi Jess,
If I went to collect a new car interstate vs paying for freight, would the travel cost be deductible?
Thanks in advance
Hi Mike, the ATO would consider this part of the cost of acquisition of the car. This means you can’t claim an outright deduction, but instead it becomes part of the cost of the car itself, which is then dealt with under depreciation rules (i.e. small business depreciation or the instant asset write-off, depending on the cost of your car and your tax circumstances). – Jess
Hi Jess,
Many thanks for all of the information you have provided – It is very helpful. I just have one question:
– I plan to purchase a car for around $40K and will take a loan from my parents to do so. Can I claim the interest payments as a deduction (seeing as though I took it from my parents and not from the bank? If so, what records do I need to keep to prove the interest payments? Do I need to sign a contract or something with my parents?
Thanks
Fiz
Hi Fiz, the ATO will accept a tax deduction for a family loan as long as it is on ‘commercial terms’, which means the interest rate is fairly close to what you would get from a bank (a little bit lower is okay). You will need to be able to show bank records to prove that the payments and interest really were paid, and you will need to show a written, signed loan agreement. If your family want to charge you a very low interest rate then the ATO would consider this a ‘family arrangement’ and it wouldn’t be deductible. – Jess
Hi Jess
I read your article and I have few questions:
– ‘a logbook isn’t required for GST claims, instead the ATO allows you to make a reasonable estimate of your business use percentage’. How is it possible to justify that the estimate is ‘reasonable’ without use the logbook? What happen if the estimate will differ from the % business/private used in the Tax Return?
– Is it possible to claim the GST of an expense had few previous quarters?
– Buying a new car, is it enough that the Tax Invoice show just the name or the ABN code is important to claim the GST?
Thanks
Thank you
Hi Giuseppe, the ATO say that you need to be able to show them how you came to your reasonable estimate. So for example you might make note of your kilometres for a few weeks and use this information to form your estimate. If you then later keep a formal logbook that you use for your tax return then naturally the percentages will be different, the ATO understand this and it’s not a problem. It is not possible to claim GST on expenses you incurred before you registered for GST, and remember you are only eligible to register for GST once you formally start the Uber application process. Regarding the invoice for a new car, the ATO has specific requirements for purchases over $1,000 if you wish to claim GST. You can find them here. – Jess
Hello Jess,
Thanks for your meaningful insight into Uber Car and Tax-related information here. I have a quick query. I have a full-time job and will continue to work in it. Uber driving is going to be my secondary source of income. However, I recently bought a brand new vehicle for $27K driveaway price on 31 May 2019. It was bought through Novated lease. I pay the lease payments with a mix of pre-tax and post-tax payment from my fortnightly salary. My questions are:
1. Can I use the vehicle for UBER as I am confused about who owns the vehicle in the novated lease arrangement and what right do I have on the vehicle in regards to using in for UBER?
2. What is the tax implication or rather what tax benefits I can claim and NOT claim for using the car for both UBER and my day-time job?
Hi Bhuban, whether you are allowed to use a novated lease car for Uber depends on whether it is allowed in your lease contract. You should check the terms of your lease to see if this is allowed. From the ATO’s perspective it’s fine, and I believe Uber are fine too. Regarding tax deductions, you cannot claim the pre-tax portion of your lease payments, only the post-tax amount. And for other expenses you cannot claim anything that was salary packages, you can only claim for expenses you paid out of your post-tax pay. Note that the cents per km method cannot be used for a salary packaged vehicle, so you must keep a logbook if you wish to claim any deductions. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Great article. Have a question. I already have a primary job and a primary car. I’m thinking of doing some Uber Eats as a side job after work and on weekends for some extra cash. I don’t want to use my current car as it’s a big family SUV with high running costs. I’m thinking of buying a small cheap car specifically for UberEats.
If I use the new small car for Uber Eats, do I just need to maintain one logbook for the small car only. In that case, almost 100% of the running mileage and costs for the small car would be for Uber Eats. Can I operate this small car, maintain the logbook and submit the tax return for it independent of any personal travel on my primary car. In my tax return and deductions calculation, can I just consider this one car used for UberEats.
Hi Hassan, yes that’s exactly right. You just need to keep a logbook for your Uber vehicle. It’s fine that it’s 100%, because you will be able to show the ATO you have another car for your personal use. This will allow you to claim 100% of your Uber car’s running expenses. – Jess
Thank you Jess.
Hi Jess
Is there anything to prevent me from purchasing a car from my spouse (only held in her name, buying her a new car) at market rate (supported by red book price) and then using it for Uber and claiming depreciation?
Thanks
Steve
Hi Steve, you could, but only if you did it formally through your state’s road authority. If you did this you’d have to pay stamp duty and transfer fees, so it may not be worth it. Alternatively, you can claim expenses for a car in your spouses name as mentioned in the blog post above, but it will be based on her original purchase price depreciated up until the time you started using it for Uber. It’s up to you to decide whether you want to pay the costs associated in having her sell the car to you. – Jess
Dear Jess, Many thanks for your help. I posted the following comment here but did not go through. Could you please help me out with following question:
I have been driving my wife’s car for Uber until 15 June 2019 then bought a car from a dealer. I have been driving the new car afterwards by now but there is a problem here because 15 days of driving the new car are from 16th to 30th June. I paid ATO the GST of $452 for Q2 and $383 for Q3 and now I am about to pay GST of around $400 for Q4. But in Q4 I have a new TAX credit of $1497 that I paid the dealer when I purchased the car. If I include this new GST tax credit in Q4, there will be a negative credit (400-1497=1096). I don’t know how to reimburse the credit. Or could it be used for the Q1 of the new financial year?
cheers
Hi Razi, if your GST credits are more than your GST payable, then the ATO will send you a refund of the net difference on your BAS, deposited to your bank account. It’s just like a tax refund. – Jess
Hi Jess! Your article and your posts here are very helpful. Just wanted to clarify. I want to start driving with Uber and therefore want to buy a new car on loan for approx $15,000. Is it recommended I get a loan and pay off the car upfront, or purchase the car on finance? How much of this amount is tax deductible?
Appreciate your assistance with this!
HI Elizabeth, thanks for your comment. I think all of the information I can possibly give is in the article above! You asked whether to get a loan or buy on finance, but I think maybe these are both the same thing? If you mean loan vs lease it depends on your circumstances and I’m sorry I can’t give personal tax advice here. You might like to talk to a finance broker to run the numbers to compare the two options for you. – Jess
Hi Jes, I bought car worth $ 21000 for uber on Aug 2018 and I had registered for GST before hand. I started driving uber from Jan 2019 and my gross income for Q3 was $600. I am going to do BAS this quarter Q3.
How do I fill up in G1 , 1A, 1B in my situation for Q3. In Q2 I had filled up NIL to all. Any help will be much appreciated.
Hi Sursam, I’m sorry I can’t advise you how to complete the BAS here. We are an accounting firm, so preparation of a BAS is a service you would need to pay for. You can find more information on our BAS page. Otherwise you can find instructions on the ATO website. – Jess
Hi Jess thanks for the article, it’s is very informative. I have an additional question if that’s ok. My situation is as follows.
High income earner, +180k, looking to buy a new car and thought uber would be a good way to make the purchase at least partially deductible. Is the purchase price deductable or is it just depreciation that you get? This deduction, is it only against uber income or does uber income get added to salary/wage income and then deduction is against that figure, top bracket? I also have the option to salary sacrifice through my employer and trying to work out which is best but I know there are too many variables to give me a straight answer.
Thanks
Matt
Hi Matt, yes alot of variables here! But a few points I can make for you. Depreciation is essentially the purchase price spread over time. So if you were to claim depreciation and the purchase price, that would be double-dipping. The depreciation/purchase price is a deduction against your Uber income. Then your net Uber income after deductions will be taxed at your marginal tax rate. Or if you have an overall Uber loss, refer to the loss rules which are described under the instant asset write-off section above. I’m sorry I can’t advise on whether buying or salary packaging is better, but generally the salary packaging company will be able to generate a comparison calculation to help with your decision. – Jess
Hi Jess,
My last question. :)
I have confirmation from the ATO my ABN/GST registration is effective from 18 Jan 2019.
In January 2019 I bought a brand new car from a dealer for Uber and personal use.
I commenced Uber driving on 31 January 2019.
Please note I negotiated the car deal on 15 Jan 2019 and paid a $2,000 deposit.
Rego was paid on 18 January 2019 and the balance of the purchase ($70,000) was paid on 18 January 2019.
Because I paid the final monies on 18 January (which I have a receipt for) my read is I can claim the car costs for GST and tax purposes this fiscal?
I’m aware the car limit for 2018-19 is $57,581.
Your feedback will be appreciated.:)
Hi David, GST is calculated on a cash basis, which means that the GST credit occurs on the date you make the payment. This means that as long as you have evidence of the date you made the payment, and that it was made after you were registered for GST, then you can claim the GST credit. In your case you won’t be able to claim the GST on the deposit, but you can on the balance payment. As an alternative, if you have evidence that you started the Uber application process earlier than the 18th of Jan, you may like to consider contacting the ATO and changing the start date of your ABN and GST registration. You are eligible for an ABN and GST from the date you started the application process. I suggest searching your email inbox for the word Uber, and scroll back to see when you first started receiving emails about the registration process, this will show you the earliest date you can be registered from. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Wow! Thank you for clarifying the purchase date question but also the tip about from when I started the application process. Not concerned about the deposit because the car is over the $57,581 limit but I did pay insurance (which has GST in it) before 18 Jan so will def check my records or even email Uber to get the commencement date! :)
Whilst I feel comfortable doing my own upcoming first BAS, especially after your guiding tips, if I find anyone who wants an expert to do it for them I will definitely recommend you.
Thanks once again for your guidance and fantastic blog.
Hi Jess,
Thanks for the article. This is really helpful.
I bought a car for 25,500 excluding gst In August 2018. Can you confirm that I will be able to deduct the whole amount of the car in 2018-2019 financial year?
Hi Roy, as long as you have a valid logbook, yes you will, because the balance of your assets will be below $30,000 at the 30th of June 2019. – Jess
Hey Jess, Good afternoon
My question is a get new car on June 28 2018 l di used my car for private business, but in July 2019 started with Uber
Can claim any GST or any deduction ?
Thanks
Hi Michael, I’m sorry but no, you can’t claim any GST on the purchase of your car because you were not running an Uber business and registered for GST on the date you purchased the car. – Jess
Hi jess, this forum is really helpful
i just wanted to confirm one thing that I’d been using a car for uber since 2 years and claiming depreciation as well, however, I bought another car this June and wish to claim instant write off for that, but since I haven’t sold my earlier car, (which I plan to eventually)
Would it be possible to claim depreciation for my old car (as it’s not sold, was used until June) and instant write off for my new car (purchased in June)?
Hi Amal, yes it is possible to claim depreciation for two cars, but you will need two logbooks. If your pattern of usage for the new car is the same as the old logbook then you can transfer the old logbook to the new car, and keep a new logbook for the old car. But if your old logbook does not reflect your pattern of usage now that you have two new cars, then you will have to keep two new logbooks. Then when you sell the old car you nill need another logbook again. As you can see it’s alot of work. A simpler option is to use your old logbook for the new car and just claim cents per km for the old car (or vice versa), that way you only need one logbook. Remember, a logbook can be moved between cars as long as the ‘pattern of usage’ is still the same. If your pattern of usage changes by +/- 10% then your logbook is no longer valid and you must start a new one. – Jess
Hi Jess,
You mentioned in the article that a person can use their salary packaged vehicle for Uber driving. Are you sure? This is exactly what I want to do, but didn’t think it was allowed from an insurance perspective.
Say I have an accident in a salary packaged vehicle (from my other employer) whilst undertaking an income-generating Uber venture, would I be covered?
What about being able to change a salary packaged vehicle insurance and registration to ‘business’? Please confirm. Thanks, that would be amazing if I could do that.
Hi Dom, I can only comment on what’s allowed from the ATO’s perspective, and the ATO pay no attention to whether your registration and insurance is business or private, it’s tax deductible either way. Your specific novated lease company or insurance company may or may not allow you to drive for Uber or cover you, you would have to check with them. I also can’t say what your state’s road authority requires regarding the registration, so you’ll need to check with them. Sorry I can’t help with these questions! – Jess
Hi Jess.. kenny here..I works with uber eats as a part timer.i am earning $60000 per year from my first job..so far I have earned $17000 from uber eats.. what’s the best scenario to minimise the tax.
I can’t use my car depreciation value for tax purposes because it has been 100% depreciated last tax year.
Here is possible income and expenses from uber
INCOME : $23000
EXPENSES (inclu rego,insurance,fuel,phone, maintenance) : $7000
What I would like to know is
Should I buy car to minimise the tax.. if so how much value of car has to be
Thanks
Hi Kenny, I’m sorry I cannot give personal tax advice here. The only information I can confirm for you is the information in this article above. – Jess
Hi Jess, thanks for providing such useful information in your article! I bought a new vehicle in Nov 2018 for $25,000 inc. GST & on roads however I didn’t register for GST or start driving for rideshare until Feb 2019. Is there any way I could claim still claim back the GST on the vehicle purchase price? I wasn’t aware you had to already be registered for GST before buying. Thanks in advance :)
Hi Luke, I’m afraid you’re out of luck, there is no way to get the GST back later. To claim the GST you must be registered for GST on the day of purchase, and you can’t register for GST until you are actively running a business (which in this case generally means you actively start Ubering). Sorry it’s not better news! – Jess
Hi Jess,
If I rent a car for uber work and use it for nothing else, will I be able to offset the whole rental cost as a tax deduction? Assuming I pay more tax per week than the rental cost.
Hi Scott, if you make an overall loss from Uber, you can only claim that loss against your other taxable income if your Gross Fares for the year were more than $20,000. If your Gross fares were under this amount, then you can’t claim the loss in your current year tax return. Instead those losses will be ‘carried forward’ and can be offset against profits in future years. To put it another way, if you earn less than $20,000 per year then you can never claim more than you earn. – Jess
Hi Jess, I will take possession of a car on the 27th Feb. I then need to get CTP upgraded and a vehicle inspection, then a Book Hire Service Licence from Qld TMR. Hopefully I will be driving before the end of March. Can I estimate use to claim the GST on the vehicle for the 3Q BAS even if, for some delay, I don’t begin driving before the end of March 2019? I’ll need to do a BAS regardless?
Secondly, I will use your services to do my BAS returns but is it necessary for a NIL BAS return? Do you make the GST claim separate to the BAS? As it’s my first BAS I’m not sure of the procedure. I read one of your posts saying to call the ATO but can’t see where on MyGov the document ID form could be found?
Hi Grant, a logbook is not required for a BAS, so it will be fine to estimate your Uber percentage. Depending on the timing of when you start driving, and if your BAS due date allows, you might like to wait and see how your first week or two of driving stack up to help you estimate the percentage for your Q3 BAS? But if not, your best estimate is acceptable. I do recommend doing a Nil BAS yourself, but from what you’ve described you’ll have a bunch of expenses in your Q3 BAS that you’ll be wanting to claim, so Q3 wouldn’t be a Nil BAS for you at all. A Nil BAS is only for if you had no income and no expenses to claim GST on. But for the sake of answering your question, in MyGov you need to go to Activity Statements and click on the particular BAS. The Document ID should be listed there towards the top, or you can just lodge the Nil BAS from that very screen, I believe as an option towards the bottom?. I hope this answers your questions. – Jess
Hi Jess,
My husband bought a car for $26,990 including GST. Unfortunately, he registered for GST after he bought the car. He took a loan of $27,516 including bank fees which will be amortized for 5 yrs. If he cannot claim input tax for GST, can he just add it into the cost of the car and claim depreciation instead? What will be the treatment for the bank fees which was capitalized into the loan?
Hi Gie, that’s right, if he wasn’t registered for GST at the time of purchasing the car then the whole $26,990 will be depreciated. For the loan borrowing costs these are claimed equally over five years or the life of the loan, whichever is shorter (apportion for days in the first and last year). – Jess
Hi Jess,
Simply put; if I buy a car for $10,000 and use it only for Uber, how much can I get back on tax for it?
Hi Shelby, the amount you get back will be $10,000 x logbook percentage x marginal tax rate. If you the car only for Uber and keep a valid logbook to prove it, then this will be $10,000 x 100% x your marginal tax rate. Your marginal tax rate depends on how much you earn from Uber and from all other sources. No simple answers when it comes to tax! – Jess
Hi Jess
Thanks so much for this very informative post. May I ask you a few questions here?
I am currently using my own car for rideshare and most likely I will keep using this car for rideshare until I buy a new car in FY19 Q4. So this means I will keep using my current car for rideshare in 3 out of 4 quarters in FY19 (from July 2018 to March 2019) and may start using a new car from FY19 Q4. I am going to buy a car under $20K for instant write off within FY19.
So I was assuming that I will have to claim two car’s depreciation when doing tax return for FY19.
1. Old car – can I claim the depreciation for thw whole year, or maybe 75% of whole year depreciation given I used it in 3 out 4 quarters?
2. New car – I was assuming I can do instant write off. However, for cash flow consideration, I am going to apply a car loan with principal plus interest, will this have any impacts on instant asset write off?
3. I kept a logbook for I started driving with Uber in last year. I understood it could be used for 5 years.Can I apply the busienss portion rate of this logbook to my new car? What if the business portion for my new car will be higher? Because previous I only had one car so have to use it for some private trips but now I will mainly use the new car for rideshare only.
I look forward to hearing from you soon
Many thanks
Hi Leslie,
1) This depends on what kind of depreciation you use. With traditional depreciation you must apportion by number of days, or with the small business depreciation method it is just a flat rate for the whole year. You can read more here.
2) Taking our a loan or finance does not impact the instant asset write-off.
3) You can continue to use the same logbook when you change cars, or you choose to start a new one if your percentage of usage will increase
I hope this answers you questions! – Jess
Hi Jess,
Somehow I didn’t receive the email notification for your reply so I just looked it again and found your answer.
You really helped me a lot.
Thank you so much!
Leslie
Hello
If i buy a used car today for $7k and write it off upfront and use it 100% for business. what happens if i sell or stop using the car this financial yr or next and convert it to personal use?
Thanks in advance
Hi Adam, if you can claimed 100% write-off and then sell the car then you must pay income tax on the sale price x your logbook percentage. The same is true if you stop using the car for business purposes, you will pay income tax on the marker value of the car x the logbook percentage. – Jess
Thank you very much Jess!
Hi Jess,
I would like to check if I buy a car under private use and started driving Uber, can I still claim the small business depreciation?
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Eden
Hi Eden, yes absolutely. We would need to first calculate how much the car depreciated before you started using it for business purposes using the standard rate of 25% apportioned by days. This will determine the opening value to use for the small business depreciation once you start driving for Uber. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thanks for the explanation. Could you explain more on how to calculate the 25% apportioned by days? For example if I did not drive Uber for 100days since I bought the car, does it mean (0.25*100)*the cost of the car? Thank you.
Hi Eden, that’s .25 x 100/365 x the cost of the car. I’m sorry I can’t go into more detail here as it’s hard to explain, but actually it sounds like you have the gist of it! – Jess
Hi Jess,
Thank you for this informative articles, me and my husband is doing Uber, we are planning that we buy a car that we will both use for Uber (shifting). Can we both claim GST % if we have both our names in the invoice? Your reply is greatly appreciated. – Diane
HI Diana, yes that’s no problem. Just note that when you keep your logbook you will need to keep track of each of your separate kms within the one logbook (it cannot be two separate logbooks). At the end of the 12 weeks you’ll be able to calculate the car’s percentage as x% your use + x% his use + x% combined private use = 100%. Then you can each claim your respective shares of the expenses in each of your tax returns. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I am working full time and drive under on part time basis .
I am looking to buy car so can you please suggest what is the best way to do and can able to claim the most of it.
Thanks
Nav
Hi Nav, everything I could write to answer your question is already written above in the bog post. I this explains what you need. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Assuming a car for Uber round $12000 and working 10-16 weekend driving. Which way is most beneficial way to acquire a car to claim deductions on a car? Cash, car loan or lease payments? Are lease payments fully deductables like loan interest?
Thanks for your help.
Hi Paul, I con’t answer this question for you because it depends on many personal factors, including your own cash flow requirements, how long you expect to drive for, the cost of the car, your marginal tax rate, how much you’ll earn and a number of other factors. Purely from a direct tax perspective, buying a car (with or without a loan) gives you more of an up front deduction, while with renting or leasing the deductions are spread evenly over the term of the lease. Yes lease payments are deductible, but you must have a logbook. – Jess
hi Jess
I have a question on GST and vehicle depreciation
I purchased a vehicle in November 2016 for $98,000 inc gst and other tax (LCT).
In April 2018 I started doing Uber with this car and decided that this car will be 100% for uber business. (as I have another car for personal use)
question 1. Can I claim any GST in my Jun18 BAS? I think I cannot claim any GST
Question 2 how do I depreciate my vehicle?
below is my understand
maximum depreciation car value – $57581
Opening Bal Year Start Day End Day NO. of Days Rate amount comments
$57,581.00 1 28/11/2016 28/11/2017 365 15% $8,637.15 Cant Claim as not used for business
$48,943.85 2 28/11/2017 25/04/2018 148 30% $5,953.72 Cant Claim as not used for business
$42,990.13 2 26/04/2018 30/06/2018 65 30% $2,296.73 Dep claim for FY17-18
$40,693.40 3 01/07/2018 30/06/2019 364 30% $12,174.57 Dep claim for FY18-19
$28,518.83 4 01/07/2019 30/06/2020 365 30% $8,555.65 Dep claim for FY19-20
$19,963.18 5 01/07/2020 30/06/2021 $19,963.18 Dep claim for FY20-21
please provide your advise
thanks
mobeen
Hi Mobeen, you are correct that you can’t claim GST on the purchase of your car as you weren’t registered on the day you bought it. To calculate the depreciation on your car you must first use the regular depreciation rate of 25% diminishing value apportioned by days up until the date you started driving for Uber. This will give your opening value. Then you can use small business depreciation rates from that point onwards, so that’s 15% DV up to the June 18 (you don’t have to apportion for days with small business depreciation, you just claim the whole 15%, and then 30% each year after that. – Jess
Hi Jess
Thanks for the advice
Hi Jess,
Thanks very much for the great advice and could you explain more about how the small business depreciation schedule works. For how many years can you claim depreciation on a car and what are the percentage rates. Thanks Sally
HI Sally, all businesses with turnover below $2 million are eligible. You can claim 15% of the GST-exclusive cost in the first year (regardless of when during that year you bought it), and 30% of the written down value every year after that. There is no set time period, this continues indefinitely and the value will get smaller over time. Once the balance of all your assets reaches $20,000 you can write of the remaining balance at once. There are also particular rules when you sell the vehicle. You can read more on the ATO website here. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Just a further question to this,i know its a old post but just trying to get my concept clear.as you said if it reaches to 20,000 the asset can be fully write off but can we choose not to write off and continue to deprecate with 30% rate even though its less than the IAWO threshold?
Hi Troy, this is no longer the case. For the 2021 and 2022 financial years all vehicles must be written off in full. There is a way to opt-out of these rules but it is more complex than what I can explain here. If you are considering this option I strongly recommend having your tax return prepared by a txa agent this year. – Jess
Hi Jess,
I have inquiry in regards to the timing of a new car purchase. If I buy a car from a dealer on say the 18th of June so I only have the car for two weeks of the financial year and drive it for two weeks only for Uber and no private use. Does that mean I can claim 100% of the GST paid on the purchase in the current quarter for the BAS. Also can I claim 15% depreciation on the cost of the car on my tax return for the financial year. Thanks Sally
Hi Sally, yes you can claim the whole GST in your June BAS, and also 15% depreciation in your 2018 tax return. The small business depreciation rules are very advantageous when you buy a car right before the end of the year! Remember for depreciation you will need a 12 week logbook that starts before the 30th of June, so you will have to wait until the 12 weeks are complete before you can lodge your tax return. This isn’t required for your BAS, the ATO allows you to make a reasonable estimate of your Uber usage instead so the logbook isn’t required, it’s only the tax return you’ll need to wait for. – Jess
Hi Jess,
Many thanks for the nice and clear explanation. I think DriveTax is a great place for the rideshare drivers! Good luck!
Very kind feedback Mahmudul, thankyou! – Jess
Hi Jess, this is an informative article for the Uber drivers. However, what rule applies for the following situation?
A person bought a car on finance:
Purchase price (say) 15k
He paid an initial amount of $1000
Took loan on the remaining amount i.e. 14k
Can he claim the gst of $1000 in BAS and the instant deduction of 900 (1000-gst)? I assume he can also claim the interest and bank charge for the remaining loan amount. What will be the depreciation schedule for this situation?
Thanks a lot!
Hi Mahmudul, (I’ll assume when you say finance you mean a loan with principal and interest). Regardless of how much you borrow, you still claim a deduction/depreciation and GST for the whole price of the car. How much you pay deposit/cash and how much is borrowed doesn’t matter, you still bought a whole car, so you can claim it all (subject to your logbook of course). So in your example $15k would still be the purchase price to claim for GST and the instant write-off, even though $1k was cash and $14k was loan. Then you would claim a tax deduction for any interest paid on the $14k loan. Remember there is no depreciation if you claim the write-off, it’s one or the other. – Jess
Hi Jess
Thank you for your information on buying and/or selling a car for Uber. It has cleared up several points for me.
Much appreciated.
Thankyou for the great feedback Jose! – Jess
Hi Jess,
I work fifo on a 4 week on 4 week off roster and was thinking of driving for Uber in some of my time off. I was hoping to claim using the log book version but as I work away and unable to consistently log over a 12 week period is there a way for me to do this in which the ATO would be happy with?
Hi Martin, great question. You must still keep the logbook for 12 weeks, and your logbook will show that sometimes you’d be driving and sometimes you’d be away working. It’s completely fine that your logbook will have those gaps while you’re away, because that is the truth of your driving patterns and car usage. It’s worth noting that this won’t negatively affect your logbook percentage, your percentage simply won’t change during the periods you’re away. The same logic is true for anyone who goes on holiday or stops driving for a period during their 12 weeks, it doesn’t impact your percentage so it’s not a problem. – Jess
Thank you, Martin.
Hi Jess, thanks for great information on here. Could I please ask if it is possible to claim Temporary Full Expensing for an old 2007 car of mine that I have been using to deliver food for uber? In the used car market, it’s still valued around $8k.
Thank you, Joe
Hi Joe, the ATO does allow you to claim Temporary Full Expensing for an asset that was previously a private asset and started to be used for business purposes. BUT you can’t use the current market value. Instead you must use the ATO’s depreciation rules to work out how much the car depreciated between the date you bought it and the date you started using it for business, and then that is the amount to claim under TFE. This is calculated using 25% diminishing value method, and it usually puts your car’s value much lower than market value. If you search for ‘ATO diminishing value calculator’ you should be able to find a calculator to help you make the calculation. Don’t forget you must have a valid 12-week logbook to make this claim. – Jess